Non-Arab with an Arab boyfriend?

[ButtyBoy]

Any non-Arab guys here that have or had an Arab boyfriend? Or Arab guys that have or had a non-Arab boyfriend?

I'd like to hear about your experiences. I'm not Arab myself, I haven't been able to maintain a long term relationship with an Arab guy unfortunately. I've met plenty of Arab boys and men, but 99% of the guys I met are not interested in a longlasting relationship. Most of them just want sexdates. And most of them prefer to be as anonymous as possible. Most of them are bi-sexual or straight even. They like sex with guys, but they don't want a serious relationship with another man. As much as I like sex, I hope to be meeting someone some day who's ready for more than just a one-night-stand.

The arab gay guys that I've known and still know choose to stay single. They don't want to come out of the closet, which I totally understand. They're affraid, which I totally understand. Although I would have a hard time spending my life with someone who's still in the closet I'd never ask him to come out. I'm aware of the possible consequences. Having a boyfriend without being openly gay is difficult I suppose, although I do think that it's possible if both are content with that situation.

I hope that there are people here who did/do manage to have a long term relationship. Arab with none-Arab or none-Arab with Arab. I'm interested in hearing from you what problems you run into (if you do..). Problems with differences in culture, religion, etc. I'm very much interested to hear stories from 'both sides'. I hope you're willing to share your thoughts.

[sarde]

I just read your message and I wanted to say that it is not always true that the arab male is only into sex with some one.I grew in an arab country,and I saw many men very deeply involved with other men. the thing to rember is that as anon ababophone,you have to understand thier mentality towards love and sex;they are from birth educated to being and living in a same sex commuity-sex is something that they are not made to show in the open.I,as a non arab,grew to understand that in fact love is deep between males and it is only because the social and moral laws that men are or forced to marry yet bondage carries on and if one finds true passion inthe arab male,he know how to love-ae I found out." it is late in the heat of the night on the hot sand,that passion is felt,hard strong, over bearing" like the" mille et une nuits) every thing is possible the art is to be very sensual,the looking,the purfum of your skin, the way your body talks, movement and it is so horny as long as you play hard and you are discreet ,then many things can be had.

[Dumbledore]

Hello

I'm an Arab guy myself, and no, I don't actually want to stay single forever. Having a longlasting relationship with a guy is actually one of my furture goals (Mind you, a non-Arab guy). It's true, however, that most Arab gay guys might prefer not to commit themselves to a serious relationship, but I do not think it's out of their own will. You see, being gay in an Arab community is definitely harder than in any other community, especially when you're Muslim and in a strong contact with the family. Marriage in the Arab community is a really essential thing that it's taken for granted, and being gay and out of the closet is an exceptional thing. That's one of the things that makes it even harder on us to enjoy the freedom of sexual preference.

I am Arab, and gay, but fortunately, live in Israel. Moreover, being Christian (we're minority here) and not Muslim is a plus as well (Concerning the gay issue of course - don't get me wrong, I'm not racist). My future plans include immigrating to another country; study abroad, work and look for romance. If I did go after my dreams - and I hope I will -, my family would probably stay here in Israel which would make it easier for me to be out of the closet - perhaps it's one of the things that makes it easier for me to say that I do want to have a serious longlasting relationship with a guy. However, it's obvious that my family will have to acknowledge by then my sexual preference since I won't get married.

Beinng openly gay in any Arab country (including Lebanon which is a "democratic" country), is forbidden and against the law. This might show you to what extent it is hard for Arab people even to accept the homosexual concept.

After all, I believe that you will find someone who in the end who's interested in a serious relationship. Just keep looking, and you will definitely find one.

I deduce that you met Arab guys who live in Europe and not in Arab countries, since you're from the Netherlands - isn't that the case? And may I ask what is it that attracts you in Arab guys? Why are you looking for an Arab? (This actually makes me relax because I thought it'd be hard for me to have a relationship with a non-Arab guy, lol) :)

[Cdn4Arab]

I really liked what you had to say....come to Canada....come marry me...hehehhehehe...

I like Arab guys because of your firstly, your looks...the dark eyes and the dark hair, the hairyness all over the body ( I do realize not all Arab guys are overly hairy)...but you all have hair in the right places.

Your culture and ethnicity give you experiences and sense that I like. There is a bonding and closeness between Arab men that is very intimate and non existent in North America, I have met tons of Arab guys who are always so friendly, a quality that is in short supply these days. Too many gay guys have soooo much attittude and they think it is attractive???

So many Arab guys just exude sexiness...it oozes out your pores...it is the balance between being masculine and being feminine. Remember Macho guys are false masculine men, they lack a sense of masculinity and they cover it up by going over the top. There is a saying having an iron fist in a velet glove. You don't need to show everyone your masculinity, you believe your masculinity and you walk in it...see being close to another guy and not having it 'freak you out' that intimacy is something you guys get to experience that we don't in NA, we are starved for healthy masculine attention...

Well anyways...if you have ever thought about coming to Canada...think about it again...would love to meet and be friends if that is all.....more would be awesome...

Robert

[justme66]

I'm an American, and have had several relationships with various Arab guys in my past. One was Israeli born and had tons of issues with his sexuality and being "together" except in the privacy of my apartment. I have also had an on again off again relationship with a Lebanese born American. I've met his family- brother, uncle and aunt and even his mother; but I was his friend from college. This was fine with me. He is now in LA and I'm still in Ohio, so we talk via email and phone these days.

I am attracted to Arab men because of their looks, their passion for life and their willingness to fight for a cause. This is something lacking in American culture, especially with gay men. I also must say that Arab men are also the most sensual and sexual, kind, loving and best sex I have EVER had in my 20 some odd years of life!

[ButtyBoy]

I like Arab guys because of your firstly, your looks...the dark eyes and the dark hair, the hairyness all over the body ( I do realize not all Arab guys are overly hairy)...but you all have hair in the right places.

Most Arab guys I've met so far were pretty much hairless, which I love. I met mostly Moroccans, perhaps Moroccans are generally less hairy, I'm not sure about that.

[ButtyBoy]

I'm an American, and have had several relationships with various Arab guys in my past. One was Israeli born and had tons of issues with his sexuality and being "together" except in the privacy of my apartment. I have also had an on again off again relationship with a Lebanese born American. I've met his family- brother, uncle and aunt and even his mother; but I was his friend from college. This was fine with me. He is now in LA and I'm still in Ohio, so we talk via email and phone these days.

Many of us seem to be facing the same kind of problems.

Do you still consider yourself to be in a relationship with this guy who lives in Ohio now? And do you think you'll ever be together again?

Two years ago I was in a relationship with a Moroccan guy for a couple of months. I met him in the neighbourhood in which I live and it turned out that he himself lived just one street away from my house.. He moved from Morocco to Holland a bit less than a year before I met him so we did have a bit of a language problem. At that time I kinda liked not having to have deep conversations. It was just great to stick to the basics. The basics were very good, lol. We had a great couple of months together, everything was just perfect. I can only describe it as complete harmony, which I never experienced with another person before. We would sometimes stay in his house and sometimes in my house and we had already started talking about living together, when all of a sudden he had to go abroad for a couple of weeks. He never returned :(

I'm still frustrated that I never got to know him as good as I wished I would have. We just didn't have enough time. He never meant to stay away permanently but three weeks turned into 6 weeks, 6 weeks turned into 3 months, and now he has been there for two years. Some might think that he didn't care about me given the fact that he left and didn't come back but I know that he does care about me, deeply. I can tell because he still calls me on the phone all the time.. Sometimes I wish he would stop calling because I ask myself what the point in calling is if we can't be together anyway. But then I think about his good heart and the time we spent together and then I realise that I don't want to forget him. It's difficult.. Our phonecalls nowadays are really hilarious because he has totally forgotten the Dutch language. We speak in about 5 different languages now so our conversations are nothing but a big mess, lol. But we continue to try and the passion is still there. I'd love to visit him but he's sharing a house with 3 others and I wouldn't feel comfortable being among them, and neither would my friend. I'm also not sure if I would want to have the heartache of having to say goodbye to him again. I've already told him a dozen times on the phone that if he ever visits Holland again I will not allow him to ever leave again, hehe.

I'm now thinking about how to finish this post, but frankly I can't because the story hasn't ended. I'm sure I'll meet him again, I just don't know when or where..

[ButtyBoy]

Hello

I'm an Arab guy myself, and no, I don't actually want to stay single forever. Having a longlasting relationship with a guy is actually one of my furture goals (Mind you, a non-Arab guy). It's true, however, that most Arab gay guys might prefer not to commit themselves to a serious relationship, but I do not think it's out of their own will. You see, being gay in an Arab community is definitely harder than in any other community, especially when you're Muslim and in a strong contact with the family. Marriage in the Arab community is a really essential thing that it's taken for granted, and being gay and out of the closet is an exceptional thing. That's one of the things that makes it even harder on us to enjoy the freedom of sexual preference.

I am Arab, and gay, but fortunately, live in Israel. Moreover, being Christian (we're minority here) and not Muslim is a plus as well (Concerning the gay issue of course - don't get me wrong, I'm not racist). My future plans include immigrating to another country; study abroad, work and look for romance. If I did go after my dreams - and I hope I will -, my family would probably stay here in Israel which would make it easier for me to be out of the closet - perhaps it's one of the things that makes it easier for me to say that I do want to have a serious longlasting relationship with a guy. However, it's obvious that my family will have to acknowledge by then my sexual preference since I won't get married.

Beinng openly gay in any Arab country (including Lebanon which is a "democratic" country), is forbidden and against the law. This might show you to what extent it is hard for Arab people even to accept the homosexual concept.

After all, I believe that you will find someone who in the end who's interested in a serious relationship. Just keep looking, and you will definitely find one.

I deduce that you met Arab guys who live in Europe and not in Arab countries, since you're from the Netherlands - isn't that the case? And may I ask what is it that attracts you in Arab guys? Why are you looking for an Arab? (This actually makes me relax because I thought it'd be hard for me to have a relationship with a non-Arab guy, lol) :)

Hi there Dumbledore :)

I understand what you're saying about being Arab and homosexual but sometimes I'm just frustrated that things are the way they are.. Reading your post with the facts from your perspective makes me realise even more though that there are frustrations for 'both parties'. I mean for Arab gays and for non-Arab gays who like Arab guys. And the frustrations are obviously bigger for Arab gays than for non-Arab gays, so who am I to complain.. I knew about the problems that Arab gays have to deal with of course, but it's good to be reminded and it's especially good to hear about it coming from an Arab guy. Most Arab gay guys don't really like to talk about the subject I think, at least not overhere. I've rarely heard an Arab gay guy complaining about not being able to come out of the closet. That still surprises me. I sometimes feel that many Arab gays are at peace with their fate of not being able to be openly gay or even to be in a gay relationship. Or perhaps they don't even consider coming out of the closet to be an option for them. And I'm talking about the Arab gays who live in Holland now. I sometimes just don't understand why they don't 'fight'. I think I feel that way because I remember the struggle that I had to go through to come out of the closet. I know that there's a lot at stake for them, but there was a lot at stake for me too. If I'd have an Arab boyfriend again I wouldn't even ask him to come out of the closet simply because that decision is not mine to take. But still I don't understand why many guys won't even bother to be in a long term relationship. It's possible though that I've been seeing too many bi-sexual guys instead of gay guys..

For your own sake I hope that you will go after your dreams, although I'm guessing that it will be difficult for you to move away from your family. On the other hand, you will have the freedom to live the life that you want to live. Great things may happen :)

Have you visited other countries yet? Do you think that you have a realistic view about what it will be like to live and to be homosexual there? I'm just wondering. About Holland for example many people always seem to think that it is so easy to be gay here, but believe me, it's not always easy.. That may depend on what you're used to of course and what you compare it to. It's probable a lot more easy overhere than it is in Israel.

Yes, I've met Arab guys in the Netherlands, but I also met Arab (and Berber) guys in Morocco. It's difficult for me to put into words why I am attracted to Arab guys specifically but I'll give it a shot. I love their looks, their dark hair and eyes, the fact that they're circumcised, their masculinity. Most Arab guys have a certain macho-ness about them which attracts me a lot. I don't recall ever meeting a shy Arab guy now that I think about it.. In most cases hard on the outside and softer on the inside I suppose. Character-wise I think that each individual is different but I would describe the Arabs that I really 'clicked' with as passionate, intense, strong, loyal, honest, sincere, warm & always hot :)

Why is it that you are looking for a non-Arab guy? I've noticed that most Arab gays overhere are more interested in other Arab gays instead of non-Arab gays. Most are affraid that non-Arabs won't undertand their culture and where they're coming from.

[Dumbledore]

Hi again,

It takes so much time to get a reply in this forum. Never mind I guess, 'cos I enjoyed reading your posts.

ButtyBoy,

First, bear in mind that I'm not the typical Arab guy. Plus to the fact that Israeli Arabs are very different than Arabs in the surrounding countries, I am also quiet different in my own community. I personally don't like Arabs' traditions, folklore, the way they think, act or behave. I rarely listen to Arabic music and never watch Arabic films. I am politically neutral, neither supporting the Israeli side nor the Palestinian one. Even my appearance isn’t visibly an Arab one, and I’m very white-skinned, not dark. I am relatively very connected to the western world, which makes me appreciate it the way I do and prefer it to the way of life here. Although many Arabs here in Israel are open-minded as well, as a result of living among secular Jews, very few reached the extent I have. That’s why I say I’m not a typical Arab guy, which makes it improper to see me as a representative for Arab people.

I understand what you're saying about being Arab and homosexual but sometimes I'm just frustrated that things are the way they are..

I know it's frustrating! But on the other hand, other people may be frustrated by the way things they are in the Western world and regard it as a wrong and sinful way of living. It all derives from the cultural and religious differences and you can’t say which is wrong and which is right. But I, seeing that Western culture grants more freedom to each and every person, see it as the right one, because in the end every one of us wants to enjoy and seek freedom no matter whom and where he/she belongs to.

Most Arab gay guys don't really like to talk about the subject I think, at least not overhere. I've rarely heard an Arab gay guy complaining about not being able to come out of the closet. That still surprises me. I sometimes feel that many Arab gays are at peace with their fate of not being able to be openly gay or even to be in a gay relationship. Or perhaps they don't even consider coming out of the closet to be an option for them. And I'm talking about the Arab gays who live in Holland now. I sometimes just don't understand why they don't 'fight'.

It’s true that the number of Arab gays coming out of the closet is very low, but I don’t think all of them are that way. Perhaps those Arab gays living in Holland find it hard because most of them actually live there with all of their family, the family they live with and talk to every single day. This might make it for them as hard as it is for any Arab gays living in Arab countries, except the fact that their surroundings are much more open-minded than the latter’s.

It frustrates me to, after all, that most Arab gays don’t ‘fight’. But as I think of it, I don’t see myself either coming out of the closet in the near future, which makes me on of them. Before any gay rebellion occurs in the Arab world, it’d be hard for all of us I guess to take the first step.

For your own sake I hope that you will go after your dreams, although I'm guessing that it will be difficult for you to move away from your family. On the other hand, you will have the freedom to live the life that you want to live. Great things may happen :)

Thanks!

Have you visited other countries yet? Do you think that you have a realistic view about what it will be like to live and to be homosexual there? I'm just wondering. About Holland for example many people always seem to think that it is so easy to be gay here, but believe me, it's not always easy.. That may depend on what you're used to of course and what you compare it to. It's probable a lot more easy overhere than it is in Israel.

As connected to the Western world as I may ever be, it’s still hard to actually know how things are over there without visiting or living there for a period of time. I’ve been only once to Europe, but it was just a 14 days trip to Italy with school so it doesn't count. I know it might not be as easy as it seems, and this worries me a lot. And I’m talking about everything in general, not only about how it is being gay over there. I keep thinking about all these issues every single day, whether to immigrate or not, what country to choose, which subject to study at University, what job, etc. I’m very concerned about all of this. I guess the best thing to do is to experience the way of living over there then choose what’s best for me. I can be sure, however, that living there would certainly be much easier than it is Israel after all.

Yes, I've met Arab guys in the Netherlands, but I also met Arab (and Berber) guys in Morocco. It's difficult for me to put into words why I am attracted to Arab guys specifically but I'll give it a shot. I love their looks, their dark hair and eyes, the fact that they're circumcised, their masculinity. Most Arab guys have a certain macho-ness about them which attracts me a lot. I don't recall ever meeting a shy Arab guy now that I think about it.. In most cases hard on the outside and softer on the inside I suppose. Character-wise I think that each individual is different but I would describe the Arabs that I really 'clicked' with as passionate, intense, strong, loyal, honest, sincere, warm & always hot :)

Along with the other Arab counties in North Africa (except Egypt), although Morocco is an Arab country, it is very different from Arab countries in western Asia (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.). I don’t know much about Moroccans, so I can’t compare them with Arabs living here. I only know that Morocco is much influenced by the French culture and language, since it had been once under the French reign. Maybe Arab gays from different reigions have different views about the issue and may feel more comfortable with coming out, I don't know.

It’s true that “most Arab guys have a certain macho-ness about them”, but there are some shy Arab guys out there. Moreover, I think Arab guys actually can be described as hairy, although many of them aren’t so. I myself am very hairy, a thing I hate about me most:(. I’m thinking of waxing all my body hair so it would regrow into less but natural looking hair. If anyone from my society knows, for example, that I have waxed all my body, especially the legs, they’d immediately think of me as a gay guy (Unless I remove hair only from the top, which most body-builders do). So how is it seen by people over there that men remove their body hair? ‘Cos I’m not very sure about this issue.

Why is it that you are looking for a non-Arab guy? I've noticed that most Arab gays overhere are more interested in other Arab gays instead of non-Arab gays. Most are affraid that non-Arabs won't undertand their culture and where they're coming from.

I’m not quite sure. Perhaps I’ve seen it as an impossible option to have an Arab boyfriend since there aren’t many Arab gay guys out there, or at least out of the closet as you said. Anyway, maybe my interest in and love of the Western culture made me look for a non-Arab guy, unless I find one with the same way of thinking as mine, that’d be great. The most reasonable reason, however, is the same one that made you looking for an Arab guy. You find Arab guys interesting because they differ from the way European guys look, so this is the same for me. Although it may be sometimes troublesome, I see diversity as an amazing and exciting thing which we can all enjoy and make good of, not make it as a source of problems and conflicts (as it is the current situation in politics).

For conclusion, I have to say that my self-confidence has risen after visiting this website and reading all of your posts here. I was both surprised and flattered to discover that there are European and American guys who like Arab guys in particular and are looking for an Arab life-partner. Now I come to think of it, I can see that there really is something beautiful and interesting about Arab guys. Thank you all very much for making me realise this.

Excuse me for the long post, I just get too excited when posting in forums.
Hope to hear from you soon :-)

[ArabGayxxl]

Hey Guys this Forum Looks Extra interesting.

I'm an Arab Guy myself from Morocco......Actually Noone wants to be Singel But Having Longlasting relationship with a guy is Every Gays's Dream nO ??
I Admire your reply Mr Dumbledore :-) Very Smart & Real

You might be Barking up the wrong tree if you think that with Non-Arab You'd have lasting relationship NO ? You Better account On Characther & Intelligent & Behavieur No Race ( arab/No-arab ) to be Honest i've never been in relation & With Non-arab Might Not be very much pleasant as they're Often jealous & obession................If You're interested let's ex change Emails :-)

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Any Arab interested in Open relation?
Is there any Non-Arab interested in Open relation ?
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[ButtyBoy]

to be Honest i've never been in relation & With Non-arab Might Not be very much pleasant as they're Often jealous & obession................

If you would be in a relation with a non-Arab who doesn't like open relationships then yes, I can imagine that the guy has a reason to be jealous ;)

[ArabGayxxl]

No Way Out.!
We Must be Happy Altogether But Not Sticked ;-) You know what i mean?
Everyone does whatever he wants & Wish But at Night or while we're together it's another matter.......................
I'm Open minded & Don't like put pressure of annonye others or even distrube them however i like them & love them ! I'm hidden Jealous But Not Extreme Jealousy i always hide & never show

[esamy2004]

hi am an arab and am not with wath you sed coz i have been in a relationship with an arab guy yes he was bi but we been thg more then 3 yes
and on the other hand sens we broke up i had more then 20 non arab and the jast want sex with not that bag dielxxxxxxx

[ButtyBoy]

No Way Out.!
We Must be Happy Altogether But Not Sticked ;-) You know what i mean?
Everyone does whatever he wants & Wish But at Night or while we're together it's another matter.......................
I'm Open minded & Don't like put pressure of annonye others or even distrube them however i like them & love them ! I'm hidden Jealous But Not Extreme Jealousy i always hide & never show

Yeah I know what you mean, but we're not all the same. I have never been in an open relationship, and I'm not sure if I could be in one. As long as the relationship is purely sexual then of course both are free to do what they want, but if there is love... I don't know. I don't think I could live with knowing that my partner sleeps with others too. Perhaps on the long run and after having discussed it, but not right from the beginning. Actually, that's not true also, I don't think two people can 'claim' each other right from the beginning unless both are okay with it. But because a relationship has to grow, I think it would be more natural if the 'exclusiveness' to one another would grow too. Unless of course the chemistry is so obvious (love at first sight for example) that it simply feels right to be exclusive to one another right from the beginning.

I've always found this subject rather difficult. I do know that I'd never go for a guy who doesn't think the same about the subject. I also know that I would never have a threesome or group sex with my partner. Been there, done that once, and never again..

[ButtyBoy]

hi am an arab and am not with wath you sed coz i have been in a relationship with an arab guy yes he was bi but we been thg more then 3 yes
and on the other hand sens we broke up i had more then 20 non arab and the jast want sex with not that bag dielxxxxxxx

Hi there. It's good to hear that what I said isn't always true :)

[ButtyBoy]

Dumbledore; I know I haven't replied to your latest post yet but trust me; I will. It's just that your post was so long so I need to sit down so I can reply to everything you wrote. I'll do it as soon as I have time :)

[Dumbledore]

Dumbledore; I know I haven't replied to your latest post yet but trust me; I will. It's just that your post was so long so I need to sit down so I can reply to everything you wrote. I'll do it as soon as I have time :)

lol don't worry :) take your time!

[Dumbledore]

I Admire your reply Mr Dumbledore :-) Very Smart & Real

Thank you.


You might be Barking up the wrong tree if you think that with Non-Arab You'd have lasting relationship NO ? You Better account On Characther & Intelligent & Behavieur No Race ( arab/No-arab ) to be Honest i've never been in relation & With Non-arab Might Not be very much pleasant as they're Often jealous & obession................If You're interested let's ex change Emails :-)


I 100% agree with ButtyBoy. I actually do support jealousy and obsession in lasting relationships, to a certain extent of course. How would it be a true, honest, lasting relationship if there is no "exclusiveness" (as ButtyBoy said)? I'm not talking about jealousy of talking with or befriending another guy, it's about sleeping with other people or having any intimate relationship with another person. Anyway, it's good to hear what you said because I thought the situation is the contrary, that Non-Arab guys are too open and free to have a serious relationship. Hearing the opposite is comforting. It's weird, however, because divorce rate in general are way higher in Western countries than it is in Arab countries.

I've been thinking about the issue lately. Now I do want to have a relationship with a guy. But when I look into the future, it's hard to imagine myself being 70 years old and having a guy life-partner, isn't it? Have you ever met or heard of an old gay couple? Anyway, even if it is possible, I want to have children in the end, I want someone to coutinue my path, to leave someone behind who is a part of me... I don't wanna miss that opportunity. It's really confusing.

[ButtyBoy]

Thank you.

I 100% agree with ButtyBoy. I actually do support jealousy and obsession in lasting relationships, to a certain extent of course. How would it be a true, honest, lasting relationship if there is no "exclusiveness" (as ButtyBoy said)? I'm not talking about jealousy of talking with or befriending another guy, it's about sleeping with other people or having any intimate relationship with another person. Anyway, it's good to hear what you said because I thought the situation is the contrary, that Non-Arab guys are too open and free to have a serious relationship. Hearing the opposite is comforting. It's weird, however, because divorce rate in general are way higher in Western countries than it is in Arab countries.

Okay so I still haven't replied to your other post yet but I couldn't help already replying to this one :)

It's true that there are a lot of non-Arab guys who are too open and free to have serious relationship, but I know just as many Arab guys who are actually in a relationship but are open and free while they are in a relationship... They simply don't tell it to their partners (which usually are women). The type of guys I'm talking about now are the type of guys who pretend to be straight but they'll just fuck a guy when they're horny. I call them straight and not bi-sexual because they treat a guy like a woman, they are 100% active. They won't do anything 'gay' and they surely don't look or act gay. Sexually I love those type of guys, but it's pretty obvious that I cannot have a relationship with someone like that because they will just go on with being married or being straight or whatever it is that they are doing. I know that there are 100% active gay and bi-sexual guys too (of course) but I didn't meet many who had the wish of a longlasting 'serious' relationship for some reason. I tend to be more interested in straight/bi-sexual guys because I like them sexually (and visually..), but in terms of relationships these guys generally don't do me any good. So, it's difficult. It's something I need to work on and change in.

What is funny though is that we both had prejudice and we now are actually learning that what we believed is true isn't always true :) In a way I already knew that of course, but it's nice to actually hear about it from someone.

Anyway, it's impossible to 'judge' an entire race of course. I wrote 'judge' because everybody is free to do what he wants in the first place, we can't all be the same. The bottom line I think is that you'll find guys who like having an open relationship and guys who like having an exclusive relationship among all races. And guys who cheat on their partner but pretend to be in a non-open relationship. Eventhough I know and believe that the type of guy that I am looking for exists, I still haven't found him yet unfortunately. And I blame myself most of all because I always look for the wrong kind of guy...

I've been thinking about the issue lately. Now I do want to have a relationship with a guy. But when I look into the future, it's hard to imagine myself being 70 years old and having a guy life-partner, isn't it? Have you ever met or heard of an old gay couple? Anyway, even if it is possible, I want to have children in the end, I want someone to coutinue my path, to leave someone behind who is a part of me... I don't wanna miss that opportunity. It's really confusing.

I understand what you mean, but you should never think too long ahead if you ask me. As much as I would want to believe that relationships can be for life, I don't think they are really 'meant' to be for life. Time changes everything, people change, people grow, people die, relationships change and grow or die too. That's what I believe. I wish it wouldn't be like that, but I'm affraid it is, and I think it's natural. If two partners can change and grow together for the rest of their lives; perfect! I just don't see it happening a lot around me.. Apart from the people who got married in a time when devorce was taboo. The only people I see having a very long relationship are people who stay with each other for the wrong reasons (they're simply used to being together, or affraid to be alone, or they are psychological drama addicts, or they have money issues, etc.).

Anyway, I think that a good relationship is a relationship in which both partners (at some point) have the intention of sticking together for the rest of their lives, but realise that reality could be different. I respect all other lifestyles, but I don't think that it would be good for me. I can be a slut when I'm single, but a saint in a relationship :)

Every now and then I ask myself if I shouldn't give the open relationship thing a chance, but then the more I think about it, the less it feels right..

And about your wish to have children, I think that's just great. I don't have a deep desire to have children myself although with the right partner I would defenately consider it. And it certainly isn't impossible in a western society for two gay people to have children, so there's no reason for you to be confused about that :) I think?

[Dumbledore]

What is funny though is that we both had prejudice and we now are actually learning that what we believed is true isn't always true :) In a way I already knew that of course, but it's nice to actually hear about it from someone.


True. That's why I enjoy participating in forums, especially this one.


Anyway, it's impossible to 'judge' an entire race of course. I wrote 'judge' because everybody is free to do what he wants in the first place, we can't all be the same. The bottom line I think is that you'll find guys who like having an open relationship and guys who like having an exclusive relationship among all races. And guys who cheat on their partner but pretend to be in a non-open relationship. Eventhough I know and believe that the type of guy that I am looking for exists, I still haven't found him yet unfortunately. And I blame myself most of all because I always look for the wrong kind of guy...


Totally right, we shouldn't judge an entire race. Every single person is somewhat different, and there are those who are completely different. It's just easier for us people to treat an entire race as a single person, and it's very unfair. I always try not to do so, although prejudice has its effect. It's even harder for Arabs who want to merge with the Western world and be apart of it, due to the image of "terrorists" and "ignorants". But I realised in the end that if one truly wants it he can do it, and probably being a graduate and having a degree would help a lot.


I understand what you mean, but you should never think too long ahead if you ask me. As much as I would want to believe that relationships can be for life, I don't think they are really 'meant' to be for life. Time changes everything, people change, people grow, people die, relationships change and grow or die too. That's what I believe. I wish it wouldn't be like that, but I'm affraid it is, and I think it's natural. If two partners can change and grow together for the rest of their lives; perfect! I just don't see it happening a lot around me.. Apart from the people who got married in a time when devorce was taboo. The only people I see having a very long relationship are people who stay with each other for the wrong reasons (they're simply used to being together, or affraid to be alone, or they are psychological drama addicts, or they have money issues, etc.).

Anyway, I think that a good relationship is a relationship in which both partners (at some point) have the intention of sticking together for the rest of their lives, but realise that reality could be different. I respect all other lifestyles, but I don't think that it would be good for me. I can be a slut when I'm single, but a saint in a relationship :)

Every now and then I ask myself if I shouldn't give the open relationship thing a chance, but then the more I think about it, the less it feels right..

I do think a time has to come when one is committed to a certain relationship for life. I know that people change and grow but if both love one another, think the same way and have the same interests, they can maintain a lasting relationship, grow and change together, even with a bit of sacrifice. You don’t see it happening a lot around you (and I already mentioned that divorce rate in Europe is very high), but I do! Here it’s actually unusual to hear about a couple who got divorced. People here treat divorced couple differently, and mostly think about them as “wrongdoers”. I only once had a friend whose parents got divorced. So it’s not very common, especially within the Arab community.

How would I not look too long ahead? Let’s say I started a serious relationship, and suddenly on the age of 60 something happened and we departed. What would I do then? Search for another 60-years-old gay partner? It’s very weird. And I wouldn’t want to stay single for the rest of my remaining life either.


And about your wish to have children, I think that's just great. I don't have a deep desire to have children myself although with the right partner I would defenately consider it. And it certainly isn't impossible in a western society for two gay people to have children, so there's no reason for you to be confused about that :) I think?


Yeah I know it’s not impossible for a gay couple to have a child in the western world. But I wouldn’t want to be a gay parent, no way! My child having two gay parents? It’s just too weird and uncomfortable, and it wouldn’t do any good to the child. Dunno maybe it’s best not to look too long ahead as you said, maybe I’d change all my thoughts by then.

BTW, the other post isn’t that long, it only looks like one. Half of it is quotes of what you said before.

[mikepgr]

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[webmaster]

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[ChineseBoy]

Hahaha...interesting question ...I guess I have to say that living in Saudi Arabia ...the strictest of the Middle Eastern country ...I learned a lot of things ...If it is hard in the rest of the Middle Eastern countries ...so you can imagine how hard it must be in Saudi .

Your conclusion is partially right and wrong as well. It is true that lots of them would want to be with you in your room , perhaps that is what the ultra-conservative society dictates...if they have a choice they will i believe.

I started with a Saudi guy ...but due to various issues ...I ended up in tears ..perhaps I am more attached to someone I love than he is ...perhaps he is too seasoned in this arena. We split but remained friends till today. But I was fortunate to meet the most wonderful guy and he is Saudi . When I returned from my vacation and landed in bahrain, he actually made our bed covered with all rose petals ...and a candle with the word 'K' lighted when I entered the room. I guess I am rather lucky because I can go to his house, met his mum (accidentally lol) and his brother.

We would drive around and visit places in Saudi ...and I would stay over at his house during weekends and drive to bahrain over weekends ( as you know how boring it can be in Saudi sometimes). He not only care for me , but massage me whenever I came back from work tired. I enjoyed dining with him ., exploring new places with him ...and watching movies with him.

We both know that we changed each other's life. It lasted for 1 1/2 years ...wonderful 1 1/2 years....but destiny has it that I need to go back to my country and we have to break up . It broke his heart ...because it was his first love. I was much stronger ...and I hate that ..but i know deep down I am hurt as much as him ...So not all Saudi guys are like that ..if they dont live in where they are I supposed .:-)

[ChineseBoy]

Btw Morrocon boy did you say Non-Arab gets jealous etc ....my experience tells me that Arabs are a jealous lot ...my arabian bf is so angry when I look at other guys ...so funny ...

[matthew882]

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[smooth]

hello, last year i dated a very nice Lebanese man, am from usa, but thought we had good relationship, we talked of marrige, then he stole $10,000.00 from where he worked.i never have seen him since...... still love him any-way ! so thats my story- in brief ,love steve

[zakivinn]

I think it is interesting what Dumbledore says regarding gay parents
'...I know it’s not impossible for a gay couple to have a child in the western world. But I wouldn’t want to be a gay parent, no way! My child having two gay parents? It’s just too weird and uncomfortable, and it wouldn’t do any good to the child. Dunno maybe it’s best not to look too long ahead as you said, maybe I’d change all my thoughts by then.'

I would once have thought much the same but my sister is in very long-term relationship with her lesbian partner and they have two children. It is all very happy and normal and the children are very well balanced and take the whole 'gay' thing in their stride. It is surprising when we stop feeling weird or strange how normal our gay lives become.

I have been in several realtionships with men in the Middle East when I lived there and I thought of them as quite normal at the time, however abnormal it may appear from the perspective of a European in Europe now looking back. There are few rules which cover all situations - even love is governed by time and place.

This is a very interesting discussion and it has got me thinking....... more later.

[ButtyBoy]

Btw Morrocon boy did you say Non-Arab gets jealous etc ....my experience tells me that Arabs are a jealous lot ...my arabian bf is so angry when I look at other guys ...so funny ...

My experience is the same. It happened to me a couple of times that when I got to know an Arab guy that even before we actually were in a relationship they warned me that I should never ever look at any other guy. One of them even told me that I shouldn't even talk to another guy.. He said that it would make him very jealous and angry. I asked him if he wanted me to wear a hijab :D

[ButtyBoy]

hello, last year i dated a very nice Lebanese man, am from usa, but thought we had good relationship, we talked of marrige, then he stole $10,000.00 from where he worked.i never have seen him since...... still love him any-way ! so thats my story- in brief ,love steve

Do you also know why you were talking about marriage?

[ButtyBoy]

It is surprising when we stop feeling weird or strange how normal our gay lives become.

That is so true..

[Indo_man]

I am also not Arab myself. I just wanted to have some sex with an Arab guy oneday. Just for sex, that's all. I'm not planning to have a serious long-term relationship, because, I have to get married when I find the right girl for me. Oh, I'm not sure about it. Gay marriage isn't done in my family and my culture. That's why I keep hiding my gay sexual in real life.

[smooth]

dear,butt-boy, thank-you for your reponce ! i had a very similar senario with my bf. althought due to the twists of fate, we only had a short time...... but he asked me to marry him[we were in ma. in usa] but any way .i'll never love another ,in the same way , as Alex, he was [is] Lebanese, a truely beautiful man ,inside and out ,yes he was very jeleouse etc... but my heart aches,as i will never get over him, i am a53 yr old man,so i have h some ''experience'' but i am moving on,it's been over a yr. since Alex, i am exclusively ''mid-Eastern'' oriented ,now ,but, plz continue this thread! i'd like to know more of your story,and if you would like...to know more of mine ,etc with Alex , love steve [smooth]

[Dumbledore]

Hey guys. I'm sorry that I disappeared for over a month, I'm back again now. I'm glad this thread is still active tho.

zakivinn:
I really have no idea on how it would be to be a gay parent. Same-sex unions are not permitted here in Israel yet, and I never met nor even heard of a gay couple. I just supposed it would be too difficult and strange for a gay couple to raise a child, I don't see myself doing it, and neither do I see my self as a child of gay parents! I'm still too young to be thinking about marriage anyway, so things might be different in the future and my point of views are very likely to change as well.

And about your sister and her partner; is everying going well? Does having gay parents influence the children in any way?

[smooth]

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[LebGay]

Well, I am an Arab gay (Lebanese), and I'm very interested in a long lasting relationship, so dunno if that dispells the notion that Arab gay men are not interested in relationships.

In all seriousness though, I guess to some extent it's a valid observation that many Arab men are willing to "play", but are not willing to get much deeper with another man. And I think the major reason is cultural. In Arab societies, there's a huge emphasis on man's masculinity and virility. And I can't stress more here on "huge." A man who isn't viril or masculine enough is basically seen a peice of trash, and men in the Arab world grow up with this notion. So it's very hard for Arab men to acknowledge any feminine side they might have, which I believe is important if they are willing to get in a long lasting relationship with another man. That also could explain why Arab gay men tend to treat their sexual partners as women. I guess for non-Arab men, that's part of the sexual appeal they have for Arab men. OK those were my 0.02$.

[smooth]

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[Dreamboy]

Any non-Arab guys here that have or had an Arab boyfriend? Or Arab guys that have or had a non-Arab boyfriend?

I'd like to hear about your experiences. I'm not Arab myself, I haven't been able to maintain a long term relationship with an Arab guy unfortunately. I've met plenty of Arab boys and men, but 99% of the guys I met are not interested in a longlasting relationship. Most of them just want sexdates. And most of them prefer to be as anonymous as possible. Most of them are bi-sexual or straight even. They like sex with guys, but they don't want a serious relationship with another man. As much as I like sex, I hope to be meeting someone some day who's ready for more than just a one-night-stand.

The arab gay guys that I've known and still know choose to stay single. They don't want to come out of the closet, which I totally understand. They're affraid, which I totally understand. Although I would have a hard time spending my life with someone who's still in the closet I'd never ask him to come out. I'm aware of the possible consequences. Having a boyfriend without being openly gay is difficult I suppose, although I do think that it's possible if both are content with that situation.

I hope that there are people here who did/do manage to have a long term relationship. Arab with none-Arab or none-Arab with Arab. I'm interested in hearing from you what problems you run into (if you do..). Problems with differences in culture, religion, etc. I'm very much interested to hear stories from 'both sides'. I hope you're willing to share your thoughts.

I had none Arab bf we call none Arab peaple 3ajabi or ajabi however u know!

take care

[smooth]

hello, i had one ltr. with a Lebanese man,it was the best, of my life, in all ways, love smooth steve

[sandrofantor]

As connected to the Western world as I may ever be, it’s still hard to actually know how things are over there without visiting or living there for a period of time. I’ve been only once to Europe, but it was just a 14 days trip to Italy with school so it doesn't count. I know it might not be as easy as it seems, and this worries me a lot. And I’m talking about everything in general, not only about how it is being gay over there. I keep thinking about all these issues every single day, whether to immigrate or not, what country to choose, which subject to study at University, what job, etc. I’m very concerned about all of this. I guess the best thing to do is to experience the way of living over there then choose what’s best for me. I can be sure, however, that living there would certainly be much easier than it is Israel after all.

I just found this post and I'd like to respond to it, even though with the low activity on this forum you may never read it :D

I was born and raised in Holland and I've lived in England for six months when I was 18 and in Italy for six months when I was 22. The best advice I can give you is: don't be afraid to fail.
Before moving, I had all sorts of expectations. Some turned out to be right, others turned out to be wrong. Expectations can be fun and valuable but in the end you'll have to deal with reality, the situation at hand. And you can do that, there isn't anything about living in a foreign country that you won't be able to handle.
The biggest problem I ran into living in Italy was the bureaucracy and chaos. I didn't really see that coming, it caught me off guard but I dealt with it just fine. There's no point in worrying about this up front: you can't prepare for everything. So just remember: every problem has a solution.

On the plus side: if you do draw the conclusion you don't want to live in a certain culture for a long period of time, you can easily move around the European Union these days. Open borders and all that. No visa or complicated paperwork necessary when you, for instance, want to buy a house in another EU country.

As for being gay in Europe: if part of your motivation to move here consists of wanting to be openly gay and experiencing gay life in freedom, then you should always research the culture and situation in your exact location of choice.
Example: Holland is a very liberal and open-minded country but there are some places on the countryside where homosexuality is merely tolerated instead of accepted. You could still run into a fair share of stereotypes and prejudices. Also, if you were to move to a small town in Holland, it would be unlikely that there would be a vibrant gay scene present. The best gay scenes for young people can be found in cities with big universities (that has to do with the fact that students will move out of the parental house as early as age 17, to go study at a university in a big city). Most notably Amsterdam and Rotterdam, but also the Hague, Utrecht and Groningen.



Finally, back on topic :D, I'm a non-Arab with an Arab boyfriend and we manage just fine. He's not out of the closet and probably never will be and I've accepted that. It's his life. I worry if it sometimes makes him unhappy and I share my worries with him but ultimately, it's his decision. I don't mind being introduced as just a friend, instead of boyfriend. That probably also has a little something to do with the fact I don't believe you need to be 'out' to everyone. Why would I tell my colleagues at work? I don't see how it's relevant, I have an administrative job and it doesn't affect my work. I wouldn't lie about being gay if they asked me, but I don't see why I should just randomly tell them. I also don't necessarily support gay pride parades because I don't like people thinking of me as "that gay guy". I'm intelligent, funny, capable and somewhere in a long list of characteristics, I'm also gay. I just don't think it's that important. It doesn't define who I am, it's just a small part of that.
But I guess that's a different topic.

[smooth]

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[webmaster]

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Please don't post off-topic..

[Dumbledore]

I just found this post and I'd like to respond to it, even though with the low activity on this...

...I just don't think it's that important. It doesn't define who I am, it's just a small part of that.
But I guess that's a different topic.

Well, yeah, it took me 2 weeks to see it :)

Thanks for your advice it was really helpful. I've thought about it that way before, that all sorts of expectations might eventually turn out to be too unrealistic and that I might get disappointed. But I guess you're right, it shouldn't bother me that much and I think I'll be able to handle it. Whatever it may be, though, I'm almost sure that it's much better than living around here.

Could you tell us more about your experience of moving from your country to another? Why did you move in the first place? I've already encountered (via the Internet, of course) many European people who are mobile and keep moving from place to another, so I was just wondering what would be the reason for that?

And thanks for the information about Holland. Frankly, I'm learning Dutch at the moment :P I'm just doing it for fun, and gaining another language is always a plus.

Do you have any idea what does it take to become a citizen of a European country or to get the EU citizenship? I've recently talked to a friend of mine about all this immigration issue and he mentioned that point about getting a new citizenship, and he said that it's too hard, even impossible, to get an ID unless you marry a native person from that country or if you have close relatives living there. I never deepened with thinking about this issue, and I always thought that even if it's hard, I can definitely get an ID at some point and become a citizen of another country. Anyway he only said this comment by the way so I don't think he actually meant it because even he himself is thinking to immigrate one day. So do you have any information about this subject?

Thanks in advance,
Take care.

BTW, I also don't support gay pride parades and I don't really like them. Dunno why, I just feel that they're pointless and "provoking". At least that's how I see the Israeli parades, because very often they do them in Jerusalem which has a very large community of too-religious and conservative Jews, instead of doing it in the more open-minded Tel-Aviv, so it looks like they're trying to provoke those people.

[sarde]

I do agree that in fact it is often wise not to be to open about one's sexuality. I lhave lived and known the arab world very well and I really don't think that "coming out and b eing an open gay in the middle east is good and I also think that sex is a very private matter and the fact that one mayhave any thing in the arab world if one is clever and able-the word gay is and has never been used in the arab world. I like the fact that you can obtain any arab male by useing non western ways. most arabic males will never come out and who wants them too?? oriental sex is much more refined and artfull when it is not out in the public:):p;):)

[sandrofantor]

Could you tell us more about your experience of moving from your country to another? Why did you move in the first place?

Well it's pretty much all thanks to the EU. I went to study a Sociology course in Italy because the professor had a great reputation. I lived in England because I wanted to boost my resume. The EU makes it easy, the borders between most member states have disappeared.

And thanks for the information about Holland. Frankly, I'm learning Dutch at the moment :P I'm just doing it for fun, and gaining another language is always a plus.

Oh dear, good luck :D

Do you have any idea what does it take to become a citizen of a European country or to get the EU citizenship? I've recently talked to a friend of mine about all this immigration issue and he mentioned that point about getting a new citizenship, and he said that it's too hard, even impossible, to get an ID unless you marry a native person from that country or if you have close relatives living there. I never deepened with thinking about this issue, and I always thought that even if it's hard, I can definitely get an ID at some point and become a citizen of another country. Anyway he only said this comment by the way so I don't think he actually meant it because even he himself is thinking to immigrate one day. So do you have any information about this subject?

Well there is no common EU immigration or asylum policy which means every member state has different criteria. I don't know all the procedures in all the member states, that would take some serious research.
I will tell you getting into Holland is insanely difficult these days. Thanks to the collapse of the multicultural system, the scare of international terrorism and the rise of xenophobia; nobody is getting in easily anymore.
Refugees are no longer granted citizenship, merely temporary refuge. Other groups of immigrants have to go through a whole series of procedures and only a handful will be handed a passport at the end of it. Things that will boost your chances:
1) a university degree
2) knowledge of the Dutch language and Dutch culture
3) a job in the Netherlands. If you can prove you've been hired or that a company wants to hire you, you'll at least be granted a temporary work permit which is a big step closer to a Dutch passport.

Marrying a Dutchman/woman won't do you any good. Also, the law that allows migrants to bring their family over after they've gained a passport has been marginalised so if you're single, that too will boost your chances.

Now, you're from Israel, so you will be screened and you'll probably have to undergo a background check. Those are pretty standard procedures for migrants from areas facing armed conflict. Nevertheless, you should be prepared for some impolite treatment.

Truth be told, I would recommend you seek citizenship in a different EU country. I heard Sweden is still fairly easy to get into but you'd have to check that with someone who really knows this stuff. Once you have an EU passport, moving around through the 27 member states (http://www.st.ewi.tudelft.nl/~ivanov/Images/EU_Map.png) is easy. So you'll want to find the member state with the easiest access.

[Dumbledore]

Thanks for your reply it was really helpful.

I will certainly have a university degree (modestly, I am an exceptional student) and I even might study abroad, I'm not sure about that yet.. But about the job thing, can companies actually hire workers which are not EU citizens? And what do you exactly mean by "impolite treatment", anything other than the fact that the whole process is hard? I've also read once on a well-known Israeli news website that the Netherlands has become too open-minded about same-sex relationships to the point that now it forces people who want to become its citizens to express their opinion about gay people and watch gay porn. This sounds crazy but that's what I've read, so is it true?

Anyway, the much more important point is what do people - not the government - think about immigrants and strangers, especially Arabs? Do they see them as ignorants and terrorists as we see on the media? Because I'm really not seeking to live in an Arab neighbourhood in Europe, that is what I'm actually running from over here. I know that there are exceptions, that there are fanatic people or maybe too-open-minded ones, but I'm asking about the majority. Can an Arab blend with the Western community and be a part of it just like any other native? And will the fact that I'm a Christian and not a Muslim help in any way? (Don't get me wrong - I'm not racist nor do I have any problem with Muslims, I'm only asking facts and want to know how is it exactly like over there)

Thanks again,
Peace.

[sandrofantor]

Thanks for your reply it was really helpful.

No problem

I will certainly have a university degree (modestly, I am an exceptional student) and I even might study abroad, I'm not sure about that yet..

Oh that's good.

But about the job thing, can companies actually hire workers which are not EU citizens?

Yes they can. The usual order of things is as follows: 1) company hires person, follwed by 2) person applies for work permit. The latter is usually easily acquired once you can prove you'll have a job upon migrating. Particularly because the company will most likely assist you through the legal procedures.

And what do you exactly mean by "impolite treatment", anything other than the fact that the whole process is hard?

The system is hard, and you have to remember the people working there are there for their job and they get 100s of clients a year. They do this for a living, they can't afford to get emotionally involved so don't expect too much from them.

I've also read once on a well-known Israeli news website that the Netherlands has become too open-minded about same-sex relationships to the point that now it forces people who want to become its citizens to express their opinion about gay people and watch gay porn. This sounds crazy but that's what I've read, so is it true?

That's exaggerated. Typical media approach of reality.

There is an integration course people have to follow when they move here. It features an introductory language course as well as a course + exam on Dutch culture. The introduction film to the culture course features scenes of life in the Netherlands. At some point you'll undoubtedly spot the red light district in the film, or two men exchanging a kiss on the background of a scene on a public square. These are all part of life in the Netherlands and the message of the film is (rudely put): if you can't deal with our society, get out.

I suppose orthodox religious people would get offended watching that, but then again these people get offended by almost everything out there, don't they?

Anyway, the much more important point is what do people - not the government - think about immigrants and strangers, especially Arabs? Do they see them as ignorants and terrorists as we see on the media? Because I'm really not seeking to live in an Arab neighbourhood in Europe, that is what I'm actually running from over here. I know that there are exceptions, that there are fanatic people or maybe too-open-minded ones, but I'm asking about the majority. Can an Arab blend with the Western community and be a part of it just like any other native? And will the fact that I'm a Christian and not a Muslim help in any way? (Don't get me wrong - I'm not racist nor do I have any problem with Muslims, I'm only asking facts and want to know how is it exactly like over there)

Thanks again,
Peace.

Before I say anything else: you need to realise the Netherlands is not a Christian nation. It used to be, but that's history. The vast majority of people have denounced the church communities, a mere 25-30% still refer to themselves as Christians. The rest consider themselves either agnostic or atheist. About 4% of people consider themselves Muslims and perhaps another 2% Jews. All in all, even all Abrahamic religions combined form a minority here.

You will undoubtedly run into people upholding the common stereotype that all Arabs are Muslims and all of them hate the West. There are a lot of misinformed people out there and, even if by far most of them will give you the benefit of the doubt, you'll find yourself forced to disprove the stereotype on multiple occasions.
That being said, the anti-Arab sentiments appear to be fading. They were, contrary to popular belief, not inspired by the modern War on Terror. They pre-date that series of catastrophic events by a few decades.
It all started with the influx of a large number of 'guest workers' in the 1960s and 70s. People from, mostly, Morocco and Turkey (technically not Arab but few people realise that here) who were supposed to leave again after about a decade. Or so the government told its people.
They didn't leave, but because the government had expected them too, they were never prepared to living in the Netherlands and they were never offered any language courses. This lead to a great deal of social unrest and the rise of xenophobia towards people from the Middle East and Northern Africa.
The unrest peaked in the 1980s and 90s when the second generation (those who are currently in their twenties and thirties) were victims of even more governmental mismanagement. They were raised by their parents who, as I said, didn't speak much Dutch and didn't know much about Dutch culture. As a consequence, the second generation was born in the Netherlands, officially Dutch and eager to think of themselves as such but, because of their domestic situation, found it hard to blend in. The second generation thus disproportionally often (compared to 'native' Dutch) struggled at school, grew up in poor neighbourhoods with very little chances and resorted to crime and violence. This fueled stereotypes of lazy, unemployment subsidy drawing, criminal Arabs which eventually opened up a chasm between different groups in Dutch society that was so big, the Policy of Multiculturalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism#The_Netherlands) was abandoned by the government and the old system collapsed.

The second and third generation are, however, currently turning their fortune around. More and more of them find their way into politics, music, art, theatre and cinema, entrepreneurship etc. which slowly but surely vaporises old sentiments of fear or stereotyping.
Although some remaining residues of the old Policy of Multiculturalism (such as tolerating dual citizenship even for government employees) are still subject of heated and emotional debate, it seems the worst of the stigmatising lies well in the past.

Anno 2007, you are probably better off migrating to the Netherlands as an Arab, then you are as an Eastern European. The latter are currently viewed as a threat now that the borders with Eastern Europe have opened and tens of thousands of poor migrants seek to move West. This is particularly true for the Polish. Their social unrest in the Netherlands, I'm afraid, is only just getting started.

[Dumbledore]

Thanks a million :)

[Eros101]

Hi everyone Im new here and I thought Id use this topic to introduce myself as a non arab-arab lover =]

I live in Australia and I have a boyfriend who comes form Pakistan, Im so in love with him and his appearence, but also with the enigma of the arabic-gay or male on male society from which he comes. Also, I know its not just me, many would agree Arabic men are just more masculin and rugged than any other culture especially western or eastern, this makes it hard for guys like me to not engage them on some level of intimacy, i know because i have two other friends in a similar situation as my boyfriend and I, but because most arabic men are under a religion that does not abide homosexuality we struggle with every little thing, from discussions to going out to sex.

[smooth]

hi eros , very well put ,many people i know [non-arab] love ARAB men ,and feel the same way. i'm afraid i'm not saying this as well as you...... but love to hear from other men,who love middleeastern ,men ,too love steve[smooth]

[HABIB]

Where are you living now ? I am christian non arab living in Australia. I would like to exchange the opinions with you or maybe you can give me some advice. If you wish to ? I love the man from the middle east - but that is forbiden love. I wish to find somebody maybe ? Take care I will be witing for your response.

Bye now

[Cdn4Arab]

Hello guys!!

I live in Canada, and I joined this site hoping I could find a a Middle Eastern/Arab/ Eastern guy who wants a white guy as a boyfriend...no luck so far. Mainly I think most members live in USA and Europe...:confused: I love Arab men....they always always turn my head...and because they are not like other freaking North-amearican men they are friendly and will start up a conversation. I usually stare too much, because all I can think about is how sexy they are and gorgeous their eyes are!! The facial and body hair, the gorgeous eyes, the olive to dark skin....man....I would treat my man like a king...but to no avail...

So any one who knows a gay Arab who is single and looking in Alberta preferably...tell them to give me a shout.


Three is so much about Arab men I like and there isn't enough web pages or time for me to list it all....I just think their friendly and polite style, their handsome faces...make for men worth loving...

Robert
Calgary, Alberta
rbrent2u[AT]hotmail.com

[Ramon]

I´m living in Catalonia, Spanish State, and have had some love stories with muslim and non muslim northafricans. The muslim friends refute sex but not friendship, and the non muslim ( non practice) never last to much. But I like their spontenous behavior, their kindness and of course their beauty. For me they are the most beauty of men. Very male look but also very sweet in relationships (not always, because love is in some degree a "comercial exchange" sometimes).
I hope that one day a find an arab friend to share friendship and perhaps life:)

[sarde]

hello,I would to hear your stories about sex with arab males bye

[Ramon]

je crois que tu parles français: quelle intêret as-tu à mes histoires?

hello,I would to hear your stories about sex with arab males bye

[webmaster]

je crois que tu parles français: quelle intêret as-tu à mes histoires?

Only English in this forum please...

[sarde]

hello, I am an native anglo/french speaker but I would rather use the English language as I live in France. to answer your question on why I take an intrest in your adventures? well, I have lived in the middle east,worked and have a good general knowledge of the Arab world.I am researching on male sexuality in the Arab world as, a resarcheur,Iam very intrested in ture stories of men and sexual enconters with Arab men in the Arab world. I hope this answers your question. merci de votre aide. salut!

[duhleenkwint]

DUMBLEDORE! Please, two things: DON'T start shaving your body hair, and DON'T rule out the United States! Our idiot president and his whole party are in decline, and despite what you might hear, most people in the US are very tolerant of Arabs, although it's not necessarily out of any high-minded ideals but ignorance and not being able to tell them from Greeks, Italians, or Brazilians! Right now, you'd face less intolerance as an Arab than as a Mexican in a lot of places!

Many many many Arabs and Persians come to graduate school here, find jobs, and end up staying. If you are an excellent student this should be easier for you. What is your field? If it's engineering, that's a big plus (but not a necessity). You have to remember that the academic world in the US is VERY different from "mainstream" society and certainly the face of the U.S. as you get it in the news. Yes, after 9-11 there were outbreaks of bigotry, but after that and the Afghan and Iraq wars started there was also a huge increase in interest in all things Arab: music, books, magazines, as there is a large part (not the majority, unfortunately) of our country that wants the WHOLE story, not just the lies and propaganda that come from the government and it's supporters in the media. If your area is in the humanities, that could also be a plus for this reason. Academic publishers are always very interested in work from countries currently at odds with the establishment. It used to be Russia. Now it's the Middle East. I am going to try to do some research for you. There are, believe it or not, liberal Jewish groups that sponsor gays from Arabic countries. Too bad you're not Saudi! (just kidding) I am going to look into things like that and post some links if I find them. I'm not saying that you shouldn't consider Holland (probably the most gay-tolerant place on Earth), but given its size, it is probably very competitive regarding getting a school or work position. I know I tried, unsuccessfully.

Again, DON'T SHAVE! The stubble is itchy and it's a tedious habit to keep up. Besides, believe it or not, there are those of us who love that, the way you are naturally.

[asdasd]

Hey Guys this Forum Looks Extra interesting.

I'm an Arab Guy myself from Morocco......Actually Noone wants to be Singel But Having Longlasting relationship with a guy is Every Gays's Dream nO ??
I Admire your reply Mr Dumbledore :-) Very Smart & Real

You might be Barking up the wrong tree if you think that with Non-Arab You'd have lasting relationship NO ? You Better account On Characther & Intelligent & Behavieur No Race ( arab/No-arab ) to be Honest i've never been in relation & With Non-arab Might Not be very much pleasant as they're Often jealous & obession................If You're interested let's ex change Emails :-)

************************************************
Any Arab interested in Open relation?
Is there any Non-Arab interested in Open relation ?
*************************************************

merciiiiiiiiiiiiii

[ButtyBoy]

Hi Dumbledore. Are you still around? I haven't seen you much around here lately I think. I'm just wondering how you are doing.

[geisha]

Yep, how nice to get rid of being single...

I want a boyfriend... I love arab men, madly... I need someone beside me when I'm down... so what! I'm still single, ha!

Life is like a rollercoaster...

Only recently, I realized I'm in love with someone at work... I must say it feels so shit! Hate this feeling, especially when the other party is attached, yet he knows I kinda like him, he is gay too, but he has got a rich boyfriend, so get real boy, who the hell am I?!!!

I'm still trying very hard to shake him off my mind, get him out of my life...
Sometimes I just feel so alone on this earth... :(


Stop in the name of LOVE
Geisha

[smooth]

hi geisha,yes i also feel the pain you feel,plz feel free to private me ,,,,,,i would enjoy to e-mail with you ,if you would like...........

[geisha]

Hi Smooth,

Tks, it feels great that someone out there understands u when u're feeling so lost and hopeless.

I really don't know what he wants at first, he'll call me when I least expected it, he'll talk to me cheekily... I wanted him so badly in the begining!

But now, I've set my mind so straight... if its gonna happen, it'll happen!
No point pondering over it, no hope so whats the point?!

Frankly, its not that I'm picky or what... I do like to have my "Arab boyfriend" dream come true, but I do look out for prospective guys from my own community too... but time after time, it only proves that I've damm bad luck in love relations!

I've not totally given up hope yet, but I'm definitely not desperate for it anymore.
If I were to stay a virgin forever, so be it!


Virgin boy,
Geisha

[maturelondon]

very often the problem in keeping a LTR with an arab boyfriend is the big pressure they suffer from their families ... no way they will accept their sexuality and even worst they want to see them married and with kids

[Eros101]

I have problems with my boyfriend's family, being a muslim family they strongly discourage this relationship we have, infact he isnt supposed to be seeing me.. ever. his dads threatening him like a child.. "I'll send you to pakistan" etc etc.. He doesnt want to let go of his family and I can understand why, but he doesnt seem to realise he has to choose me or the family eventually, he insists he'd choose me anyday but im not so sure. And this makes me hurt deep inside, sometimes I just sit and start to cry or try and sleep to forget, hoping ill wake up and we could just be together..like somethings changed.

[soy_yo]

I am arab from Spain my origin is from north Morcco and I would love to have a boyfriend but i can't because my family is muslim and I can't be openly gay and I wish someday to finde some non-arab guy who can loves me,I like european men(blondes,blue/green eyes,light skin)

[sony15]

I have a relationship with an arab boy, and is wonderfull. We started two years ago and I wold like to be with him all the life. He is of maroc.

[sony15]

I don´t say that nobody have any idea of this relationship. It would be the worst for him.

[bottom4top]

i have arab boyfriend . i like big arab for sex ...

[illiuscin200]

i like to know any arab boys, im 34 old frm italy

[webmaster]

i like to know any arab boys, im 34 old frm italy

Please don't post off-topic

[loveseeker]

I have been seeing this Arab man for the past 4 years. When I first met him he told me he was Gay, his name is Maizen. He also told me he was married and has 3 boys, he told me his wife knew all about him being gay, their marriage and been Prue-arranged and they have been together since they were young, Maizen said she was his best friend, and she understood he would leave her for the right man! I am the only man he fucks around with and has been doing it for the past 4 years. I have given myself totally to him, and have been with no other man and would never think of being with no other man, The first time I brought up a relationship to him with me, we had already been seeing each other for 2 years...he said he could not hurt his boys they were too young.....okay...I admire this.... he is a good man and a wonderful father, so a couple years passed and we has been still going at it passionately... hot and heavy.. we have even expressed our Love for each other and even spoken the words. He is very successful and a prominent man in the local community......he owns several lucrative businesses and it seems every time i bring up a commitment, he opens a new business and works from sun up to sun down....he keeps busy and we don't see each other for a couple months..this has happened twice now...I know he is not cheating on me with another man, and I have seen the new business he has opened, so I know this is the truth and he always comes back to me.......I always keep in touch with him through emails during this time......he just opened his last new business this past fall, the same pattern.... too busy to visit... too busy to talk... and now he was to busy to respond to my emails...this pissed me off and that is when I joined this web site and, I wrote him and told him about it..( i was trying to make him jealous)...I even gave him a copy of my post in the thread "what do non-Arabs like about Arabs sexually".......I told him this was dedicated to him and it was all based on him....this attracted his attention and he thanked me and was very flattered ( always polite and always even tempered). We share the same birthday...it came and passed, Christmas came and passed ( he is Chaldean, so we share the same beliefs)...needless to say I was upset so I went away for the new year to visit an old friend (he knows her) and when I came back no emails, so I wrote and told a white lie that I been overwhelmed by responses to my post and there was some one locally that wanted to meet me. We had not seen each other since the last time we had sex in the early fall and we made a date for Valentine's day...which i thought was nice because we don't often get to go on dates....he picked me up and we went for coffee and damn if he did not bring up the local Arab man that i said wanted to meet me....I am the worlds worst liar and told him i was to afraid to meet a strange from the internet.......he flashed me his beautiful smile..blinding me with his white teeth and went in for coffee we caught up on everything in our lives and it was time to go..I was horny as hell and could not wait to get a hold of his fat cock to suck and to ride........to my shock and horror he dropped me off and left. I was crushed on Valentine's day of all days. He has always liked to be the one to initiate sex...so i would only drop casual hints......I had done this in phone calls and emails since then...but he would not bite. Finally out of sexual frustration and a crushing hurt... I wrote him an email reminding him he told me when we first me his was gay...and asked him if he found a pill to cure him from being gay...I said it like a true bottom bitch...he called me 2 days later and was pissed as hell and asked me what the fuck I mean by this so I told him...and reminded him he was gay....that is when he dropped the bomb and said "I do not like labels.....if you must label me then label me bi-sexual....i am not gay".
Then he said.... is this all because you want to suck my cock..then just come out and say it next time. I have not heard anything from him in almost a month now...i wrote him begging his forgiveness.......this has never been like him he has always been gentle and loving with me unless we were fucking...................my heart is broken......my Iraqi Lover of 4 years left me for his wife??????????? a woman he said could never make he feel like I do in bed...............I am lost......i ride passed his store and see his truck in the parking lots and i die...it is so close to my home, yet i hear nothing from him. Was I a fool from the beginning or did i push him away?:confused:

[FuckMe]

why not ? a friend of mine has a portugese bf while he's arab

[saltyshakes]

On a recent trip to Morocco, I met more men than I have previously, who actually identified as 'gay' [at least in private] which I suppose is progress although some of them had also picked up some of the more negative characteristics of some European gay men which, while, perhaps, not surprising, was a little disappointing.

[anametoo]

need to think of this

[Dumbledore]

Hi Dumbledore. Are you still around? I haven't seen you much around here lately I think. I'm just wondering how you are doing.

Hey ButtyBoy :) Thanks for checking up on me, I'm doing perfectly fine. I'm sorry I haven't logged in for a long time, it's just that this thread had died for a few weeks, and no other threads have been posted, so I couldn't find anything to do on the site. Now I came back and suddenly it's much more lively, very well..

I've been quite busy lately and I still am, but I will try to visit the site as often as I can..

How are you doing? Is everything alright?

[Dumbledore]

DUMBLEDORE! Please, two things: DON'T start shaving your body hair, and DON'T rule out the United States! Our idiot president and his whole party are in decline, and despite what you might hear, most people in the US are very tolerant of Arabs, although it's not necessarily out of any high-minded ideals but ignorance and not being able to tell them from Greeks, Italians, or Brazilians! Right now, you'd face less intolerance as an Arab than as a Mexican in a lot of places!

Many many many Arabs and Persians come to graduate school here, find jobs, and end up staying. If you are an excellent student this should be easier for you. What is your field? If it's engineering, that's a big plus (but not a necessity). You have to remember that the academic world in the US is VERY different from "mainstream" society and certainly the face of the U.S. as you get it in the news. Yes, after 9-11 there were outbreaks of bigotry, but after that and the Afghan and Iraq wars started there was also a huge increase in interest in all things Arab: music, books, magazines, as there is a large part (not the majority, unfortunately) of our country that wants the WHOLE story, not just the lies and propaganda that come from the government and it's supporters in the media. If your area is in the humanities, that could also be a plus for this reason. Academic publishers are always very interested in work from countries currently at odds with the establishment. It used to be Russia. Now it's the Middle East. I am going to try to do some research for you. There are, believe it or not, liberal Jewish groups that sponsor gays from Arabic countries. Too bad you're not Saudi! (just kidding) I am going to look into things like that and post some links if I find them. I'm not saying that you shouldn't consider Holland (probably the most gay-tolerant place on Earth), but given its size, it is probably very competitive regarding getting a school or work position. I know I tried, unsuccessfully.

Again, DON'T SHAVE! The stubble is itchy and it's a tedious habit to keep up. Besides, believe it or not, there are those of us who love that, the way you are naturally.

I'm glad to hear that Americans are yet tolerant of Arabs, I thought things have flipped over after the 9/11. I've always realised, however, that the academic world in the US and everywhere is quite different from the society itself, and I am happy that this is the case. Anyway, I guess I shouldn't be too worried about this matter and try not to focus on it too much, but instead try to prove myself and make the most of myself. That would be the best way to deal with it.

And don't worry about me ruling out the US because I haven't thought about the whole issue deeply yet, and I'm aware of the fact that there are lots of great things and opportunities to look forward to in the US. And about the body hair thingy, I think that after I start going to the gym for a while and build some muscles, I wouldn't be fussed about the hair. I guess that hair with a skinny body don't go together, but maybe would appealingly do with a fit one.

[zeus4310]

i liked your story, hope everything works out for you. loveseeker

[omar]

I have a great arab boyfried, we meet thru his older brother and we had a great time for the next 6 years, the relationship was great until his parents ask him to find a girl and get marries. 6 months later i get a invitation to his wedding from his parents. he got marries 2 years later she got pregnant and had a little boy. before the baby was born he call me and ask to meet to talk, we talk and also had sex after that we keep are relation going and today we are still crazy about each other, if boths people are content we there situation love will work.Any non-Arab guys here that have or had an Arab boyfriend? Or Arab guys that have or had a non-Arab boyfriend?

I'd like to hear about your experiences. I'm not Arab myself, I haven't been able to maintain a long term relationship with an Arab guy unfortunately. I've met plenty of Arab boys and men, but 99% of the guys I met are not interested in a longlasting relationship. Most of them just want sexdates. And most of them prefer to be as anonymous as possible. Most of them are bi-sexual or straight even. They like sex with guys, but they don't want a serious relationship with another man. As much as I like sex, I hope to be meeting someone some day who's ready for more than just a one-night-stand.

The arab gay guys that I've known and still know choose to stay single. They don't want to come out of the closet, which I totally understand. They're affraid, which I totally understand. Although I would have a hard time spending my life with someone who's still in the closet I'd never ask him to come out. I'm aware of the possible consequences. Having a boyfriend without being openly gay is difficult I suppose, although I do think that it's possible if both are content with that situation.

I hope that there are people here who did/do manage to have a long term relationship. Arab with none-Arab or none-Arab with Arab. I'm interested in hearing from you what problems you run into (if you do..). Problems with differences in culture, religion, etc. I'm very much interested to hear stories from 'both sides'. I hope you're willing to share your thoughts.

[Murat]

it is very hard for men from arab countries to have lasting relationships with men in their own countries because they have to keep the relationship secret and cope with the pressures of their families trying to marry them off. A relationship with a non arab can be a lot easier but you are right they can be very demanding and not able to understand that for a gay arab man coming out is very very difficult. Many of my arab friends are gay in london and straight when they go home. Many western men consciously or subconsciously think themselves superior to arabs, in love with an idealized view of arab men (masculine, hairy, bick cocks, dominant) that takes no account of their faith, tradditions, societies. Tunisians, morrocans, algerians, where-ever you are from you are dumped in the same category you are an arab. No body would dream of teating Germans, Brits,and Swedes as ll the same. If you don't respect a man's background, faith,country how can you ever have a lasting relationship. He is not just a good fuck. It is a dilemma we Turks face with our arab friends. We would love to have a lasting relationship with a man from our own country but fear the social consquences if found out. I have been very lucky and met an Iraqi and have been together now for 14 years. We have culturaly a lot in common, the worst time was when he came out to his family, mine accepted it partly because we live in England but also because they knew that if they forced me to choose between my partner and the family I would choose my partner. It took ten years to reach this point so can you blame a ordinary man living in say, Morocco, not finding it easiy to make a decision and accede to the demands of his non arab lover. He may deep down prefer to be with a Morroccan man with whom he would have a sexual and a cultural affinity. Unfurtunately unlike his non arab friends living in the west he just does not have the choice

[saltyshakes]

Of course you are right, everybody should be treated with respect for the individual they are [especially if hoping to form a relationship], though from what you also say, some cultural generalisations [eg pressure from family, belief etc] are valid across the muslim/arab world, bearing in mind there are many exceptions too!

On the one hand, it makes sense to take into account general [cultural etc] factors when embarking on a relationship - at very least so we don't have unrealistic expectations - but, on the other hand, it's not helpful to imprison another within a stereotype. This is as true for Arabs with Europeans as it is for Europeans with Arabs. Unfortunately too many of us, at times, take the easy route of making assumptions & acting stereotypically.

Perhaps it could be said to be our life's challenge to discover what's really there, within ourselves & others, underneath the stereotypical surface. Even when we get naked we're usually still covered with so many more layers!

[smooth]

these past posts are really great ,,,i think this post has broaddened all our view points,,,,it's great....

[brahms67]

hi i am an arab from lebanon and i live my gaylife in secret also by my family but i live it as i want and meet and fuck other gyus here

[alikk84]

hmmmm i likeeee

[boy19]

I'm non-arab, but I've never dated an arab guy.

[Bree_AF]

Hey Guys this Forum Looks Extra interesting.

I'm an Arab Guy myself from Morocco......Actually Noone wants to be Singel But Having Longlasting relationship with a guy is Every Gays's Dream nO ??
I Admire your reply Mr Dumbledore :-) Very Smart & Real

You might be Barking up the wrong tree if you think that with Non-Arab You'd have lasting relationship NO ? You Better account On Characther & Intelligent & Behavieur No Race ( arab/No-arab ) to be Honest i've never been in relation & With Non-arab Might Not be very much pleasant as they're Often jealous & obession................If You're interested let's ex change Emails :-)

************************************************
Any Arab interested in Open relation?
Is there any Non-Arab interested in Open relation ?
*************************************************


Hey there...I think you've a very bad experience with a non-arab guys makes you made a general statement of "often jealous and obesession". Thats not always true. As you said its depend on the individual...

I love to have an Arab partner someday .its my dream.. why? its not just about the looks, there is some sense of caring, understanding and their willingness to go the extra mile to make the partner happy... and they are all smell so nice ...When you put the looks and the qualities ... how can I resist Arab man... I am still looking for the man as most of Arab man dont like Asian guy much ...

[bon_bon_bon]

I never see in Thailand

[bushiwo8]

I dream that too, Arab men are so hot!

[tur0]

interesting! I enjoyed reading your thoughts

[olduse333]

non arab gay like arab gay cock

[Benmyoho]

Arabs--my are they all hot! I have been in their midst (mostly Yemenis) for the past six years, and from my experience they exude a lot of sexiness. They have this sweet smell, very musky. But so far, I have been too shy to proposition them for s-e-x, partly because they respect me as an elder; in fact they treat me as if I were their blood Daddy. So how could you ever have sex with your father? A big dilemma for me, indeed.

[mark529h]

i find it hard to even find a gay arab man, which is quite disappointing.

[94170400]

so hot ,i think

[geisha]

Well guys...

Sometimes its better off not to try too hard, especially being too persistent in looking for your ideal love partner.

Let nature takes its course... no matter how hard we can be to ourselves, I still believe in this little something known as "fate".

If u're fated to be with someone, then u'll end up with that someone.
This is what I call the power of fate!

So, no point insisting that u must be with an Arab top as your lifetime man... if u can get someone else who love u all the same or even more, then u may even be better off this way... why not?

I'm still single... and still waiting...
But in the meantime, I'm living my life to the fullest and nothing will stop me from having a good life, even if I'm to be single forever... (arrrgh :mad:, better not!!!)... but then, I only live once!


Love ;)
Geisha

[klites]

I met a an Arab guy who travel to my country every month, we met up a couple of time but then he admitted he just wanted my friendship and nothing more. He said he is not gay but bi, he wanted to get married one day, so we never keep in touch again. I guess they do not want to be perceived to be gay back in their country so they would just simply get married under family arrangement. But every now and then, they wish to have sex with men with no string attached, so that's why it's hard to maintain a long-term relationship with those married or bi arab guy!

[ce83]

Many of us seem to be facing the same kind of problems.

Do you still consider yourself to be in a relationship with this guy who lives in Ohio now? And do you think you'll ever be together again?

Two years ago I was in a relationship with a Moroccan guy for a couple of months. I met him in the neighbourhood in which I live and it turned out that he himself lived just one street away from my house.. He moved from Morocco to Holland a bit less than a year before I met him so we did have a bit of a language problem. At that time I kinda liked not having to have deep conversations. It was just great to stick to the basics. The basics were very good, lol. We had a great couple of months together, everything was just perfect. I can only describe it as complete harmony, which I never experienced with another person before. We would sometimes stay in his house and sometimes in my house and we had already started talking about living together, when all of a sudden he had to go abroad for a couple of weeks. He never returned :(

I'm still frustrated that I never got to know him as good as I wished I would have. We just didn't have enough time. He never meant to stay away permanently but three weeks turned into 6 weeks, 6 weeks turned into 3 months, and now he has been there for two years. Some might think that he didn't care about me given the fact that he left and didn't come back but I know that he does care about me, deeply. I can tell because he still calls me on the phone all the time.. Sometimes I wish he would stop calling because I ask myself what the point in calling is if we can't be together anyway. But then I think about his good heart and the time we spent together and then I realise that I don't want to forget him. It's difficult.. Our phonecalls nowadays are really hilarious because he has totally forgotten the Dutch language. We speak in about 5 different languages now so our conversations are nothing but a big mess, lol. But we continue to try and the passion is still there. I'd love to visit him but he's sharing a house with 3 others and I wouldn't feel comfortable being among them, and neither would my friend. I'm also not sure if I would want to have the heartache of having to say goodbye to him again. I've already told him a dozen times on the phone that if he ever visits Holland again I will not allow him to ever leave again, hehe.

I'm now thinking about how to finish this post, but frankly I can't because the story hasn't ended. I'm sure I'll meet him again, I just don't know when or where..

****Hey, I just wanted to say that I am having the same relationship situation, with a moroccan guy as well. But I dont know how to save the relationship to where he wont ever leave me. I have a feeling he is going to do the same to me, as your moroccan did to you. Im scared to lose him, because I love him so much!

[caramacho]

i'm not arab but i would really like to have an arab boyfriend

[highgloss]

of course ... this is very silly question. We are all human!!

[ce83]

ArabGayxxl, I would like to chat with you. I am non-arab, actually im hispanic, and I would like to have a long lasting relationship with a Moroccan guy. So if you are interesting in chatting with me, let me know. Thanks.

[gsdfargo]

i find it hard to even find a gay arab man, which is quite disappointing.

Where are you looking? Have you learned any Arabic or Farsi ? Have you spent anytime understanding the History and Culture of the region? Once you begin to open these doors...meeting people becomes pretty easy. IF HOWEVER you are just looking for "Arab Dick", you may have some trouble.

[djalyel]

eu gostaria que voces mandasem fotos de garotos marroquinos de 17 a 21 anos ok um abraço

[xxlforyou]

i have had several relationships with arab guys the most difficult factors are secrecy,family pressure religeous doctrine,arab guys are terrified of being "found out"

[sweet_shane]

I am a white/German/American guy, aged 25. I live in Germany and have had a Lebanese boyfriend for 3 years. Abdel is a real thug, aged 23, but the thing that made me fall in love with him is that he is actually sweet and sensitive, under his hard image. It took 6 months for us to get around to fucking eachother, as we are both tops and nervous that the other would think that we have been dominated. After 6 months of of this we couldn´t take it anymore, our nuts ached all the time, we were so horny, so we just did it, taking turns at 2 minute intervals. Now we cant get enough of eachother! I was originally attracted to his hardness, but now it is the opposite; he has shown himself to be very sensitive, and in need of some love and tenderness that he never received from his cold mother. Our favorite thing is to cuddle at night, or while watching tv. I love the way he smells and the way his sperm tastes too. He taught me that most Arabian men think that sperm, like urine or other waste is disgusting, so it is a special thrill for him to ejaculatue on my face. One day I asked him how a man with a beautiful, 2 year old son could think that sperm is dirty. I think that he sees it a bit differently now, and he doesn´t shy away from playing with, and tasting our cum. My family no longer talks to me because i have an Arab man. I told them to fuck off when they called him a "sand nigger," or "greaseball!" It was like a knife in my heart, because Abdel wanted very much to be accepted by them. Anyway he is my family now. We have our problems, we are both top-boys, but we have compromised, and i have learned to like the feeling of his beautiful brown penis inside my ass. Recently he has grown a small beard to try and make himself look more tough and manly. I like his beard; it is surprisingly soft and when he rubs it all around my face it drives me crazy! We laugh together alot, at stupid racists who cant see that love knows no color. Abdel is my boy, he is a "sheit Muslim" and says that 'Allah was kind to him, giving me to him, and that fillls me with an amazing amount of pride! Of course because of his culture we are very secretive and low-key about our relationship. As far as sex goes, I believe that Arab men are the sexiest men alive. While white men seem bleached out, and stripped of their sexual pheromones, Arab men pulsate with sex. Abdel in particular is comfortable with his body. He is very skinny, with hardly any body hair, but he is okay like this. his skin is extremely dark, especially in the summertime. When we get home from work and retire to bed we suck eachother and kiss alot. Cuddling is nice, and like i said, his unique smell hypnotises me! I especiallly like to pull apart his little brown butt cheeks and lick his dark brown asshole. We have taught eachother many things sexually. We even piss together in the tub! All i know is that no racist idiot is ever going to hurt my sweet man; i would fight to the death to protect him. All i can say is that i hope we are together forever. I love my Arab man, and consider myself lucky to have such a sweet angel!

[smooth]

thats really great ,,its great to hear about your love for each other ,,,i wish you the best ,,i too had a lebanese bf ,,,,but unfortunatlely hes gone from my life ,,,,,,i wish u the very best ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,each day with him is a treasure ,,,,,,,,,,,cherrish it ,,,,,,,,i'm sure u do ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[njjeff]

Hi.
Yes I would be as long as I was sure in my heart and mind that I was number one to my partner, and as long as he was meeting my needs emotionally and sexually.
Any Arab guys looking to meet a non-Arab gay in the US, particularly NJ in the Metro NY City area?

[geoffrey87]

I am Asian (Chinese Indonesian) and I used to date one lebanese guy and I just love him, not just he is very masculine and tall, but he is the perfect material for a bf. However, we are both young, so we don't want to be in relationship. His cock is enormous and his body is just a dream... and his smile drives me crazy...

Is it me or almost every arab are top and usually looking for a smaller guy with smooth skin? Well... I'm not complainin', just asking if it is true ;)

I saw this arab guy in the gym sauna, he is so muscular, tall, with facial hair and hairy body, wearing a jock with his bush hanging out his jock, he is so hot and he kept looking at me and smiling to me, I thnk he wanted something with me, but I was too shy to talk to him (you cant talk when u see a really hot guy coz ur heart just pumping so hard!)

[geisha]

I am a white/German/American guy, aged 25. I live in Germany and have had a Lebanese boyfriend for 3 years. Abdel is a real thug, aged 23, but the thing that made me fall in love with him is that he is actually sweet and sensitive, under his hard image. It took 6 months for us to get around to fucking eachother, as we are both tops and nervous that the other would think that we have been dominated. After 6 months of of this we couldn´t take it anymore, our nuts ached all the time, we were so horny, so we just did it, taking turns at 2 minute intervals. Now we cant get enough of eachother! I was originally attracted to his hardness, but now it is the opposite; he has shown himself to be very sensitive, and in need of some love and tenderness that he never received from his cold mother. Our favorite thing is to cuddle at night, or while watching tv. I love the way he smells and the way his sperm tastes too. He taught me that most Arabian men think that sperm, like urine or other waste is disgusting, so it is a special thrill for him to ejaculatue on my face. One day I asked him how a man with a beautiful, 2 year old son could think that sperm is dirty. I think that he sees it a bit differently now, and he doesn´t shy away from playing with, and tasting our cum. My family no longer talks to me because i have an Arab man. I told them to fuck off when they called him a "sand nigger," or "greaseball!" It was like a knife in my heart, because Abdel wanted very much to be accepted by them. Anyway he is my family now. We have our problems, we are both top-boys, but we have compromised, and i have learned to like the feeling of his beautiful brown penis inside my ass. Recently he has grown a small beard to try and make himself look more tough and manly. I like his beard; it is surprisingly soft and when he rubs it all around my face it drives me crazy! We laugh together alot, at stupid racists who cant see that love knows no color. Abdel is my boy, he is a "sheit Muslim" and says that 'Allah was kind to him, giving me to him, and that fillls me with an amazing amount of pride! Of course because of his culture we are very secretive and low-key about our relationship. As far as sex goes, I believe that Arab men are the sexiest men alive. While white men seem bleached out, and stripped of their sexual pheromones, Arab men pulsate with sex. Abdel in particular is comfortable with his body. He is very skinny, with hardly any body hair, but he is okay like this. his skin is extremely dark, especially in the summertime. When we get home from work and retire to bed we suck eachother and kiss alot. Cuddling is nice, and like i said, his unique smell hypnotises me! I especiallly like to pull apart his little brown butt cheeks and lick his dark brown asshole. We have taught eachother many things sexually. We even piss together in the tub! All i know is that no racist idiot is ever going to hurt my sweet man; i would fight to the death to protect him. All i can say is that i hope we are together forever. I love my Arab man, and consider myself lucky to have such a sweet angel!


This is really touching and sweet!
Having read your encounter, it simply reflects to me that nothing is impossible in life, if u want it that way, then u jolly well work hard to keep it that way!

Sigh... I do hope to have my very own arab man one day, I'll promise him to be his angel always... :rolleyes:


L.O.V.E ~ Geisha

[geisha]

I am Asian (Chinese Indonesian) and I used to date one lebanese guy and I just love him, not just he is very masculine and tall, but he is the perfect material for a bf. However, we are both young, so we don't want to be in relationship. His cock is enormous and his body is just a dream... and his smile drives me crazy...

Is it me or almost every arab are top and usually looking for a smaller guy with smooth skin? Well... I'm not complainin', just asking if it is true ;)

I saw this arab guy in the gym sauna, he is so muscular, tall, with facial hair and hairy body, wearing a jock with his bush hanging out his jock, he is so hot and he kept looking at me and smiling to me, I thnk he wanted something with me, but I was too shy to talk to him (you cant talk when u see a really hot guy coz ur heart just pumping so hard!)


Love it or hate it, I do shy away or got too nervous to response whenever a hot guy look and smile to me... Sigh~ that's why, I'm still left here, missed opportunities...


:frown: Geisha

[TransGirl.nl]

Love it or hate it, I do shy away or got too nervous to response whenever a hot guy look and smile to me... Sigh~ that's why, I'm still left here, missed opportunities...


:frown: Geisha

Life is too short to be shy!!!

[ButtyBoy]

Life is too short to be shy!!!

I guess you are speaking from experience, which I can totally understand. I agree with you; live now!

[ourson819]

Am in Canada...Dated an arab man for 18 months...Living in different cities made it hard so it ended...I only wish that I had moved or he had, because i felt complete with him...
If only I could find someone like that here in Ottawa...

[Fam0usN0b0dy]

I have never dated [nor met] a gay Arab man before. But I would like to know some.

[Florian]

This is really touching and sweet!
Having read your encounter, it simply reflects to me that nothing is impossible in life, if u want it that way, then u jolly well work hard to keep it that way!

Sigh... I do hope to have my very own arab man one day, I'll promise him to be his angel always... :rolleyes:


L.O.V.E ~ Geisha

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY!

First of all, I would like to say that I really think that the exchange of experience and thoughts that has taken place in this forum, so far, is outstanding and marvellous. I read that the person who initiated this topic on here was from the Netherlands. So, please allow me to thank him in his tongue: Hartelijk dank voor jouw tijd, interesse en geloof in liefde en bedankt dat je jouw dromen, gedachten en hoop met alle bezoekers van dit forum deelt. Ik vind dat je daarvoor enorme respect verdient.

Now that I thanked the initiator of this topic on here, I would like to come closer to the topic: I was born and raised in Germany, I am in my twenties and both of my parents are German. As I grew up on the country side, I hardly knew anyone from Arabic-speaking or Arabic-culture countries before moving away from the country side at the age of 17 1/2.

I then lived in Brussels (Belgium) where a really nice guy fell in love with me. He was born and brought up in Northern Africa and as we both spoke French fluently we got along very well and the language wasn't an issue which was a good thing. He was a very nice guy and I believe that he had serious, sincere and passionate feelings for me as I had for him. However, I had been in a bad realtionship with another man from Germany before that who had not really loved me or let's say that his love was rather unhelathy. Anyway, I had managed to leabe that man who hadn't been good for me and had moved away from there by the time I met Rachid. Rachid came from a Muslim country which doesn't mean that people who are from there can't think. He was a very inteligent and decent guy with a positive and growing self-esteem regarding his homosexuality and life which is remarcable and nice for someone who had only moved to a liberal place in Europe two years prior to our first encounter. I liked him from the first time I saw his face and heard his beautiful voice talking to me. He was polite, gentle and kind and he even introduced me to a familiy member only a short while after we had first met. I was in love with him as he was in love with me, I guess. Unfortunately, the bad experiences that had been caused by my former relationship had filled me up with fear of a new realtionship, and I therefore ended that beautiful relationship before it had begun to flourish into more. My fear of losing myself had made me lose a verys nice person.

Fortunately, life goes on and fear can be transformed into new hope, if only one belives that life is beautiful, and I certainly love life. In the meantime, I travelled more, learned more about other countried and I moved to a bigger city in Germany where I feel at ease and life has become good to me as I learned from the past. In spite of the fact that I am single at the moment, I do know that someone honest and true is close and he will find me soon.

I wish all of you plenty of Love, harmony, happiness and peace.
Best regards from Germany,
Florian

[PGHScorpion]

My experiences were with one guy in the 90's who was thinking of moving to Pittsburgh for work. I helped him tour the city a bit while he was looking for housing, and general things to sustain life if he moved here. We never had sex. He decided to not take the job in Pittsburgh and left. I grew very fond of him and would have dated him in a heart beat.

The second in Pittsburgh was in the 90's with a guy who still lives here. He works for a local university, and likes to hang out in the restrooms. He liked doing this even though his lover was at home. He lead me on, and we had sex, then he wanted me to be 'friends' with he and his lover. His lover was a moron, and the friendship between all of us died. Now, years later, when he's single, he won't talk to me.

The most recent was a Turkish flautist. He was an incredibly intelligent, kind, gentle, sweet human being, who actually had the nobility to tell me he wouldn't 'date' me because he could fall in love with me...and his plan was to leave Pittsburgh. We are still in contact.

I wish I could meet a decent, kind, strong, gentle, masculine dark featured guy again here in Pittsburgh, but Pittsburgh seems to have slipped back into the closet of 1979...and meeting ANYone is incredibly difficult.

[deathangel07]

i am attracted to arabs physically...i find them very manly and masculine..if given the chance i would love to have a long lasting relationship with an arab man...i would really be happy if that happen..

[mjastivski]

I'm Jordanian and I have a Belgian boyfriend, we've been steady (although for distance problems) for almost 4 years now! It's been great, we get to travel a lot together, and both out families go well together! I think it turned out to be this great because of diversity yet closeness at the same time, Arabs and Europeans share a long rough history together, and there's no problem in combining it for a better future, queer wise! :D


Cheers,
MJ

[jeff]

Hello ,
I've read what you've already written . I was so happy that you know arabic men and you still keep in touch with them . Most people over the world think that arabs aren't good people. What I want to say is that when you want someting fro an arab don't be rude or severe with him because he doesn't like that and it may make him angry. When you want something fro any arab ask for it gently and politly.
concerning sex,as arabs,our women are covered with clothes the thing that make them very precious and that's why ,we used to conserve our masculanity and we're thirsty of sex.Now, when you find a handsome boy who attracts you,you immediately approach him and have sex with him.If you need more information contact me on
- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]live.fr:confused_smile:

[jeff]

Hello dear,
I 've read your message and I know that you're attracted by Arabs . I' an Algerian man and I'm attracted by you because you appear from your message
that your a kind and wise man. If you wanna contact me:
- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]yahoo.fr

:heart::smile::heart:

[jeff]

Dear friend,
You've said that you've never dated with an arab man.
Would like to have a date with me?
I'm an Algerian (Arab) man
Reply please on:
Hello dear,
I 've read your message and I know that you're attracted by Arabs . I' an Algerian man and I'm attracted by you because you appear from your message
that your a kind and wise man. If you wanna contact me:
- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]yahoo.fr

:heart::smile::heart:

[mjastivski]

Dear friend,
You've said that you've never dated with an arab man.
Would like to have a date with me?
I'm an Algerian (Arab) man
Reply please on:
Hello dear,
I 've read your message and I know that you're attracted by Arabs . I' an Algerian man and I'm attracted by you because you appear from your message
that your a kind and wise man. If you wanna contact me:
- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]yahoo.fr

:heart::smile::heart:

Are you talking to me?:confused:

[jeff]

I'm an Algerian ( Arab ) man seeking for young nice bottom men willing to visit Algeria.Those who are interested send me a message on

- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]yahoo.fr



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[jeff]

hello
I'm an arab from Algeria who wants to know you . If you accept send me a message on
- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]yahoo.fr

[mjastivski]

hello
I'm an arab from Algeria who wants to know you . If you accept send me a message on
- jeff11hardy[AT]live.com
- jeff02hardy25[AT]yahoo.fr

Can you PLEASE specify who are you talking to?!

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[wahab]

i wish i had

[PGHScorpion]

I wish I could find a decent, lean and hairy, bottom oriented Arab man who was in Pittsburgh or who traveled to Pittsburgh...for actual dating. Not easy to find in this area. I'd even be thrilled to find this guy in NYC, or somewhere nearby, so that we could travel to each other...but the Arab men seem to be so far away, or very aloof.

[jeff]

Hi , How are you ? I'd like to be with you unfortunatelly , I live in Algeria . Thanks for your reply



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[webmaster]

Hi , How are you ? I'd like to be with you unfortunatelly , I live in Algeria . Thanks for your reply



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