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Trans
07-19-2008, 06:06 AM
I'm a transgender. For those who don't know what that is; I'm a woman trapped in a man's body. Anyway, that's not what this is about. Here's the thing..

A couple of weeks ago I met a wonderful Turkish man named Erhan. We were supposed to meet for only a sexdate but as soon as we met each other face to face we totally hit it off. We were very much attracted to each other right from the start and once we started talking we both knew that there was something special going on between us. It was all so unexpectedly perfect. I just loved everything about him and I loved how he made me feel. We spent a couple of great weekends together and the sex (or should I say love making) was simply amazing... I usually have safe sex but with Erhan I didn't. We didn't discuss it, it just happened. Last weekend Erhan was at my place and we spent the night together again. We had dinner, we talked, we drank, we laughed, we danced and we had awesome sex all through the night. We were having so much fun that we didn't go to sleep before 10 o'clock in the morning. We only slept for a couple of hours because Erhan had to work on saturday afternoon. When we woke up I made us coffee and a little while later Erhan left to work. What I did not know when we kissed eachother goodbye that morning was that it would be the last time I would see him..

I had the rest of the day to myself so I cleaned up the mess we made and because Erhan had told me that he wouldn't come that night 'cause he would be getting home from work late I decided to stay home by myself and watch television. I didn't pay attention to my cellphone but when I was about to go to sleep I noticed that Erhan had tried to call me two times that night. It was already late when I noticed that I'd missed his calls so I sent him a text message saying that I was still awake and that he could call me if he wanted to and that I didn't want to wake him in case he was already sleeping.

I waited a bit to see if he would call and about 15 minutes later he did. He asked me where I had been all night, but the tone in his voice sounded strange. He didn't sound like the Erhan with whom I spent the weeks before. All this time we didn't have a single disagreement or arguement or whatsoever but now on the phone he just sounded weird and mad. Then he asked me if I had been dating someone else. I told him that I hadn't been dating anyone else, but because I didn't like the tone in his voice I didn't want to have to justify. He then told me that he just came back from a hooker.. All I could say was; 'okay..'. I really didn't know what to say or think because I felt like talking to a complete stranger. He said; 'I had to go to a hooker because I couldn't reach you on your phone'. I said; 'Hmm so you don't want me to date anyone else but you can go to hookers?'. He said; 'That's different, that's with condom. You know I have two kids, and I want to see them grow up. You know how stressed I am, I don't want to have to worry about diseases'. I just didn't know what to say, I was just too overwhelmed. I was also very angry because obviously he was accusing me of sleeping around and having unprotected sex all the time but I didn't want to express my anger. I was also shocked because obviously for him it's normal to only fuck hookers with a condom and everyone who is not a hooker (or not a hooker at that time!?) without a condom. I was thinking to myself; 'why the fuck are we having this discussion. I didn't ASK him to fuck me without a condom!'. We ended the phone call but not before Erhan told me that from then on I should make damned sure to answer my phone whenever he calls.. 'What the fuck' was all I could think. Who is this person? And what gives him the right to talk to me like that after knowing each other for only a couple of weeks.

After we hang up I couldn't stop thinking about it. Eventually I send him a text message saying 'I'd like to talk to you, please call me when you get home'. A couple of minutes later I received an sms from him: 'No. Go and do what you want. Goodbye.'. And that was the last thing I heard from him. I tried to call him once more shortly after I received his message but he didn't answer his phone. This was a week ago and in the mean time I found out that he also removed me from his msn contact list.

I really don't understand what I did to him. I'm sad, of course, but I will be fine. I've been hurt before so I know how to deal with the pain. It just makes me mad that he treated me like trash without any explanation whatsoever, leaving me in the dark. Erhan and I are both the same age, 35yr, but the way this ended doesn't seem to be very mature. I keep thinking that maybe I misunderstood something, and that maybe it's a cultural thing that I just don't get. I know he's not Arab, he's Turkish, but perhaps the male (macho) cultures are somewhat similair? Is there anyone here who has a possible explanation for Erhan's behaviour? I'm caucasian myself by the way.

I mentioned that he has two kids, but he doesn't have a wife. He's devorced and single (as far as I know..).

I don't think I will ever hear from him again and I don't think there's any point in calling him but if he'll ever contact me again I won't speak to him before he apologises to me and explains to me what was going on in his mind.. Does that seem fair?

I'm hoping on some responses guys. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

ButtyBoy
07-19-2008, 08:05 PM
That's a painful story. I am not sure if there is any cultural aspect here, I'll leave that to decide by other (Arab?) members on this site, but I just replied in the Bareback Sex thread in this forum in which I wrote that men are weird when it comes down to bare sex. I don't know what goes on in this man's mind but it seems like he is very concerned about bare sex (although he did fuck you bare... which makes him a hypocrite if you ask me, unless he never gave the subject any thought before he fucked you). I'm only guessing but is it possible that he somehow tested you, in a chat, or in some other way? I mean, people do strange things to check out their partners and maybe he somehow wanted to find out more about you, didn't like what he found out, and then discontinued your relationship? That's all that I can think of right now so I'm sorry that I can't be of more help. Perhaps other members have more or better suggestions. Good luck.

Bree_AF
07-20-2008, 05:50 AM
. He then told me that he just came back from a hooker.. All I could say was; 'okay..'. I really didn't know what to say or think because I felt like talking to a complete stranger. He said; 'I had to go to a hooker because I couldn't reach you on your phone'. I said; 'Hmm so you don't want me to date anyone else but you can go to hookers?'. He said; 'That's different, that's with condom. You know I have two kids, and I want to see them grow up. You know how stressed I am, I don't want to have to worry about diseases'.

I mentioned that he has two kids, but he doesn't have a wife. He's devorced and single (as far as I know..).

I don't think I will ever hear from him again and I don't think there's any point in calling him but if he'll ever contact me again I won't speak to him before he apologises to me and explains to me what was going on in his mind.. Does that seem fair?

I'm hoping on some responses guys. Let me know what you think. Thanks.


Hey trans..I agreed with Buttyboy. I am not sure how well do you know Erhan. Whether he is really divorced for instance? the part that he said he cant reach you thats why he went to the hooker- thats absurd. Maybe he did that even before he met you for him to release tense and sexual urges. Then he met you, maybe saw a nice opportunity. No need to pay and no need a condom. I may be a bit dramatising here. But maybe thats what happen? the moment he thought you are seeing someone else he become paranoid. What if you did the same thing with other guys? no condom? he did said that he worried about disease?

However, you need an opinion of whether if he ever contacted you again, you want him to apologise first before you speak to him right? Basically all you need to hear from him is the explanation why he did it? then if he ever call you again let him talk, whether he apologise or you will apologise him of what he did to you come later. You need to know the answer and only him can tell you that. But dont take it blindly. The truth will prevail is just a matter of time and take the necessary action when it comes.

Then if you ever decided to give him a second chance ask yourself - how much do you really know him? there is sign of possessive guy here and you have to be careful of that. He maybe love you from the way he behaved, jealousy from the thought of you were seeing someone else? and him acted without thinking properly. But thats not an excuse. He maybe did that all for his interest. Imagine you not seeing other guys and him can barebaking you anytime he want. Not to worry about condom.

He should give you a chance to explain. Thats why you still need to listen from his part of why he did it. It all look nice and romantic at the beginning. Learn more about him. I would say his kids is his priority too. Ask yourself whether he will let you become part of his family? He is a muslim right? then there is a cultural issues here if you two are together. How about his families, the kids? definitely they will against it for the sake of the kids.

Maybe all his want from you is sex and romance. Is that what you want from him? Not much I can say here as a very little information but I do hope its give you a little insight of your next course of action.

Have a great day.

Bree

Trans
07-20-2008, 05:57 PM
That's a painful story. I am not sure if there is any cultural aspect here, I'll leave that to decide by other (Arab?) members on this site, but I just replied in the Bareback Sex thread in this forum in which I wrote that men are weird when it comes down to bare sex. I don't know what goes on in this man's mind but it seems like he is very concerned about bare sex (although he did fuck you bare... which makes him a hypocrite if you ask me, unless he never gave the subject any thought before he fucked you). I'm only guessing but is it possible that he somehow tested you, in a chat, or in some other way? I mean, people do strange things to check out their partners and maybe he somehow wanted to find out more about you, didn't like what he found out, and then discontinued your relationship? That's all that I can think of right now so I'm sorry that I can't be of more help. Perhaps other members have more or better suggestions. Good luck.

Thank you ButtyBoy. I am not sure if he tried to 'test' me. I can't really remember if he had the oppurtunity, considering all the time that we spent together. I guess he may have tested me. It could explain why he reacted the way he did all of a sudden, although I can't imagine that I said something about bare sex because it's not something I like to discuss in a chat or even mention as an option. And I think you are right by the way, if the bare sex is his problem then he shouldn't have fucked me bare in the first place, and blaming me for it does indeed make him a hypocrite. Thanks again, ciao.

Trans
07-27-2008, 12:59 AM
Hey trans..I agreed with Buttyboy. I am not sure how well do you know Erhan. Whether he is really divorced for instance? the part that he said he cant reach you thats why he went to the hooker- thats absurd. Maybe he did that even before he met you for him to release tense and sexual urges. Then he met you, maybe saw a nice opportunity. No need to pay and no need a condom. I may be a bit dramatising here. But maybe thats what happen? the moment he thought you are seeing someone else he become paranoid. What if you did the same thing with other guys? no condom? he did said that he worried about disease?

However, you need an opinion of whether if he ever contacted you again, you want him to apologise first before you speak to him right? Basically all you need to hear from him is the explanation why he did it? then if he ever call you again let him talk, whether he apologise or you will apologise him of what he did to you come later. You need to know the answer and only him can tell you that. But dont take it blindly. The truth will prevail is just a matter of time and take the necessary action when it comes.

Then if you ever decided to give him a second chance ask yourself - how much do you really know him? there is sign of possessive guy here and you have to be careful of that. He maybe love you from the way he behaved, jealousy from the thought of you were seeing someone else? and him acted without thinking properly. But thats not an excuse. He maybe did that all for his interest. Imagine you not seeing other guys and him can barebaking you anytime he want. Not to worry about condom.

He should give you a chance to explain. Thats why you still need to listen from his part of why he did it. It all look nice and romantic at the beginning. Learn more about him. I would say his kids is his priority too. Ask yourself whether he will let you become part of his family? He is a muslim right? then there is a cultural issues here if you two are together. How about his families, the kids? definitely they will against it for the sake of the kids.

Maybe all his want from you is sex and romance. Is that what you want from him? Not much I can say here as a very little information but I do hope its give you a little insight of your next course of action.

Have a great day.

Bree

Hi Bree_AF. Thanks very much for taking the time to reply to my message. I really appreciate it.

You are right, what do I really know about this guy after a couple of weeks. Well, I never thought that I did really know him well after a couple of weeks but I must say that I was very surprised by his sudden change in behavior. That's what shocked me most, that he seemed liked a totally different person all of a sudden. It was a bit frightening to tell you the truth. I thought about him and how he responded a lot the past week but it didn't take me very long to figure out that I will never know exactly what was going on as long as he doesn't tell me what it was. After I figured that out I decided that it was was best to just forget about him, which I managed to for a day.. Just for a day because yesterday he called me. I was very surprised that he called me because I expected to never hear from him again. If he would have called a day sooner I would have answered my phone, but because I already decided to forget about him I didn't feel like answering my phone at all and so I didn't. Basically I think I just stopped caring and am not even really interested in learning about the truth anymore, most of all because I think that I don't deserve to be treated the way he treated me. Not long after he tried to call me I received a message from him on the dating site on which we met, saying that he would be in town and that if I wanted a date with him that I should give him a call.. 'What a guts', that was all that I could think. A date with him? I am not going to have a date with him before he apologises and explains me what was going on. I did not reply his message. Today he sent me a text message saying that he could come to me if I wanted him to come. Again I ignored his message. It was he who forced me to forget about him so if he wants me back then he must come up with something better than this..

After gaving the whole thing a lot of thought the past week I am also pretty sure that he is the type of guy that just tells people what they want to hear. Do you know what I mean? Eventhough he does not act and speak like it, I think that for him the whole thing was about sex and sex only. That's fine with me, really, I just hate it if people pretend something to be different from what it really is and ever can be. He is muslim yes and I don't think I would ever really be a part of his family. That's just the way it is (or would be). It's not something that I blame him for because I think I understand it. Maybe he does only want sex and romance. I am not really sure if that's what I want from him or if I want more from him. I am pretty 'go with the flow' and if he wouldn't have started the love thing with me then I wouldn't have started it either. I may have felt it, but I wouldn't have acted on it. Does that make sense? Well, it doesn't even make sense to me I think, haha. Anyway, I am not saying that I won't ever speak to him again but if I will speak to him again and see him again I will make damned sure that I will protect my feelings more and that I will try to figure out asap what I exactly want from him and what it is that he wants from me and can give me. And this is because of your post actually because I don't think I would have come up with that myself, silly me haha.

ButtyBoy
07-27-2008, 02:43 PM
I think that if you want more of him than just sex that you should indeed forget about him, unless you are very sure that he is able to give you what you need. Otherwise you might get hurt by him again.

xq28
08-05-2008, 08:37 PM
erhan, sounds like he's kind of superior-male you've date with. arrogant, that could be such an enough word to describe what a typical man like him.

if at anytime you find him go mad, don't worry, it's what that type of man used to be. just be patient. sometimes he'll avoiod some part of his life to be exposed by others.

if you really love him, go chase him. ignore his bad-full-of-anger texts. that iceberg will meltdown soon or later.

one thing. the kids. they can be the key. if he allow you to meet them, love them. spend your love for two, you'll get three at once.

anyway, you've got a beautiful experiance.

so, try harder.

geisha
08-06-2008, 06:14 PM
Hi Trans,

I kinda agree with ButtyBoy and Bree.
Pls, for your own sake, think what u really want from him and how much can he live up to your expectations before u sink into it.

Hearing from your account, it can seem really simple but it can turn out to be a danger too, so do not ever take it too lightly, think hard before u decide for yourself.

Likewise, I've my experience to tell... for someone like me, no sexual experience or whatever.
I met this white guy at a gay pub, it was my 1st time there.
He is 18yrs older than me... I'm a bad drinker, so maybe I'm drunk, I started to flirt with him, we kissed and exchanged contact nos...
Pls understand, this is my first time!

The next day he called me and we went out.
Later that night, he invited me to his house... he stripped me and wanted to proceed on... but it was my 1st time, I really had no such experience before, so I stopped him from carrying on telling him that I'm not prepared.
We ended I did an oral one on him.

By now u might have guessed it... after that night, he never ever called me again!
I was kinda disturbed and saddened by his behaviour at 1st... but I kept thinking about it, eventually I came to accept the fact that he only wants sex that's all, no point hoping that he'll call me again or whether I should call him instead... it makes no difference at all!

I do hope that I can find a man who loves me not just for the sex...
but that doesn't mean that we've to lower ourselves to satisfy them so as to make them want us!


Think twice, u'll see a difference.

:cool: Geisha