arabs:What do you think about islam & homosexuality? Do you think it's a sin?

[soy_yo]

I was muslim but I am not now I belive in God but I don't follow any religion because i don't think a way of love can be a sin because we just love our same gender and it's not a crime!

[ButtyBoy]

I would like to know the opinion of Arab guys on this subject as well.

[ArabGayxxl]

What do you think about islam & homosexuality?

ISLAM & HOMOSEXUALITY Doesn't Match.
Which means arab Muslim Guyz should be true muslim.
(Pray, be Good person, do what allah said, attempte to be approeach to God although U Full of Sin & ask for forgiveness.) that's at least make U Feel better somehow.
because Gayness is out of our hands but worship Allah & ask for forgiveness is something in our hands isn't guyz?!!

it's absolutey a sin but i've no idea why gayz exsit ?
it's Disaster. Because we're Good looking & already have Success & No Problem with female expect those fucked up Gay feelings.

[eurolad]

All the monotheistic religions consider homosexuality to be a sin; that notion is not exclusive to Islam. That being said, it is not our fault that we are gay. Allah made us, and since He is perfect and without sin, we are, therefore, not mistakes; we are who He wanted us to be. I grew up Christian but have developed a strong interest in Islam and am considering converting. Alhamdulilah there are organizations that support gay Muslims such as Al Fatiha (www.al-fatiha.org/). Ma'a salam to all.

[ArabGayxxl]

Thx for Link for Whom !!

[xq28]

I was muslim but I am not now I belive in God but I don't follow any religion because i don't think a way of love can be a sin because we just love our same gender and it's not a crime!


there's so many things in this life that you should stand with. and life's not only about love. and religion, basically, is a ruler, a guidance, the direction you are looking for when you are lost.

and if in religion, your kind of sex or love is clearly lost and can't avoid it, so don't be lost in another part of this life. go into the light. who can save your mortal soul??

i am a gay. and of course i've made a sin. but i still pray him. even if he hates me i will never turn my face from him.

anyway, a gay-thing is a sin of course. not only for moeslem. it's for christiany too. the bible told it so. remember the story about sodom-gomora??

[meghji]

it is always difficult and no one chooses to be gay

[arzika]

there are some that choose to be gays because of money and Allah did'nt create any body as gay it is we gays that choose that path so all gays in the sight of God are sinners.God destroyed Gaycity of sodom,if we are not sinners he wou'nt destroyed that city and saved those tha are not gays.I am gay ,and I love God, eventhough he dislike gays.And I cannot leave God because of GAY THINGS...NEVER.

[arzika]

If God want my life today,all gays in the world can not save me, i think is better for gay channels to stop talking about religious issues,they are attacking islam in particular why?no true religion accept gay,and is not compulsory for gays to joined any religion so don't worry yourselves ,you can choose to become gay and migrate to gay cities and live comfortably for the mean time before you meet God and receive your punishment as sodomists received theirs.When prophet moses was uncorfortable in the land paraoh he left to another comfortable place ikewise jesus etc so gays should migrate from uncomfortable places to comfortable ones like Amsterdem,Israel etc and leave Islamic countries so that they can enjoy themselves there.

[arzika]

like me I have a gayfriend in Israel and I like him,another one in spain too,I can mjgrate to either of the two countries and live comfortably before I die.

[arzika]

Alfatiha.org,arab-gay.com,muslima.com are the channels supponsored by Israeli american society neither by arabs nor muslims.

[mario]

Hi arzika,I realise & accept how lucky I am to live in Europe where being gay is widely accepted.I have been to several civil partnerships which are legal here in England.I myself run a gay bar here in London.You must remember God made you as you are and loves you as you are. with best wishes Mario

[arzika]

Hi mario,how are you?yes God made me as human being and allowed me to choose what i want,but warned me not to do bad things,I am the one that choose to become gay not God.God really hate gays because he destroyed them in the city of sodom and saved those that are neither gays nor lesbians.Tere were many many guys in sodom that runned gay bars but they could'nt saved gays from God wrath,remember the ealier you recognise your mistake the better you make correction.I am gay and sinner in the sight of God.

[eyeshaveit]

As with Christianity and many other religions, Islam, I truly believe, is misused by fanatics who have agendae that are truly oppressive to the point of being "evil." Most wars have been fought in the name of religion; because of this and the horrific cruelties I see daily, I have turned away from organized religion to simply being a "spiritual" being, closely aligned to our Creator, who goes by many names.
I am NOT unacquainted personally with the Koran; indeed it is prominent in my most valued books. The "sin" in Islam and most other religions is denegration of our fellow MAN, even to the point of murder!
Query: "Did 'God' create Man in his(?) own image, or...
did Man create 'God' in HIS/Man's own image?"

[steve03]

i think religion and homosexuality don't fit together.

[Murat]

man was born to think. you have a right to beleive in god. you have no right to judge others as you would judge yourself. to say to a gay man living in a muslim country that if he wants freedom he should leave his own land is unacceptable, to suggust that he should head for amsterdam is either naive, stupid or both. religious intolerance has been responible for more death and suffering than famine, natural disasters or anything this beautiful natural world can throw at us. there is something insufferably smug about believers in any religion, so sure of their path to rightiousness that they look down on those that they think are damned. it is not god who damns but those that act supposedly in his name. I do not know why i am gay, but i am not going to spend my life walking with my head bowed down. believe it or not i am happy, as a gay man i have experienced love and true friendship. if you are happy in your guilt ridden world and choose to live in it fine, but pleaes do not tell me it is better than my world or ask me to join it on your terms

[timo0]

Homosexuality is sinful as per the current official interpretation of Islam. However, there are other opinions that bring out evidence that Islam has only described the non-consensual rape of men by men as sinful.
Just like the way it is with the veil or many of the thorny issues in Islam, there is what the Koran says (usually open for interpretation and not decisive) and there is what is claimed to be what was said by the Prophet Mohamed, the authenticity of those sayings is contested in many cases.

[Scott747]

It's very sad that religion is used to condemn gays - and that includes Christianity in the US with all the radical religious Christians running around spewing hate, intolerance and racism. Having both lived and travelled in predominantly Muslim countries, from my experience Islam is not more or no less condemnatory than other religions. Homosexual acts are still illegal in many states in the US don't forget but most states don't enforce them and many have repealed them. What I find most troublesome is the rise of religious fundamentalism around the world - both Eastern and Western.

[Nordinnnnnnn]

Allah chose to make me this way
so I do the best I can with all I can

He is the only one to judge me

[Murat]

Thank you for your honesty Nordinnnnn. It is for each individual who beleives in god to make his peace with HIM for only He can judge. beware those who claim to act in his name. I wonder whether those that kill men because they are gay truly beleive that a compassionate god is going to welcome them into heaven for having killed in His name. Let Allah be the judge!o other

[forcam4]

!!!
every 1 that make a gay sex is in hell !!!
this alkl i know :S

[Polarcoffee]

What do you think about islam & homosexuality?

ISLAM & HOMOSEXUALITY Doesn't Match.
Which means arab Muslim Guyz should be true muslim.
(Pray, be Good person, do what allah said, attempte to be approeach to God although U Full of Sin & ask for forgiveness.) that's at least make U Feel better somehow.
because Gayness is out of our hands but worship Allah & ask for forgiveness is something in our hands isn't guyz?!!

it's absolutey a sin but i've no idea why gayz exsit ?
it's Disaster. Because we're Good looking & already have Success & No Problem with female expect those fucked up Gay feelings.

It's absolutely not a sin to be gay...I can tell you why...
b/c some ppl (especially for some priests, or some whatever you call them "priests" in Muslim) are too arrogant to think that they have the right to interpret God's idea...they assume themselves as the messengers between God and ppl...they are WRONG...God only gave them the right to get ppl reunited....too shame that they misunderstood God's proposition, and misbehaved themselves...

[arzika]

murat, you called my opinion stupid why?you have no right to attack me in such a rude way.I am gay and I am living in a society that does'nt welcome gays at all,may be you are free to practice your sex as you wish in the enviroment you find yourself but for us is not possible is a matter of life and death.if a gay is caught here definitely he is going to be killed.I am 28 but never had sex in my life,I don'nt like women and almost impossible to be with man.Do you think is fair for me to remain in this kind of enviroment for the rest of my life and you enjoy yourself in free society?that is unfair Murat.For people like me is better to leave my society to another one that is free.Telling me to remain in unfriendly enviroment is not fair at all.Assuming you find yourself in my position,would you sacrifice your life?I am 100%sure you will not. So my advice to people like me is better for us to migrate and leave our homeland than to remain in a state of fear and depression.By the way,are you advising Iranian gays to remain in Iran? a word is enough for the wise.

[arzika]

Murat,if you want me to remain in this enviroment as you wish come over here and be my boyfriend or husband so that whatever happened will happeened to both of us.I am waiting for your reply.

[Polarcoffee]

murat, you called my opinion stupid why?you have no right to attack me in such a rude way.I am gay and I am living in a society that does'nt welcome gays at all,may be you are free to practice your sex as you wish in the enviroment you find yourself but for us is not possible is a matter of life and death.if a gay is caught here definitely he is going to be killed.I am 28 but never had sex in my life,I don'nt like women and almost impossible to be with man.Do you think is fair for me to remain in this kind of enviroment for the rest of my life and you enjoy yourself in free society?that is unfair Murat.For people like me is better to leave my society to another one that is free.Telling me to remain in unfriendly enviroment is not fair at all.Assuming you find yourself in my position,would you sacrifice your life?I am 100%sure you will not. So my advice to people like me is better for us to migrate and leave our homeland than to remain in a state of fear and depression.By the way,are you advising Iranian gays to remain in Iran? a word is enough for the wise.

chill out man...i think he just proposed his own ideas, and didnt mean to insult you...
we all know that gay life is hard, thats why we need to get reunited and fight for the prbs we have, TOGETHER, not alone...

[arzika]

those muslim scholars did'nt misinterprete Holy Quran -the book of Allah.It is boldly written that gays are sinners and I believe in Quran so I am sinner.Islam teaches every aspect of human life and consider human beings to enjoy what is good and shun away from bad things of which being gay is consider as bad thing.So all committed muslims they hate all forms of homosexuality.That is my opinion too.So we muslims that are living in a society that does'nt accept our sexual orientation should move to another one that accept gays instead of us staying in an unfriendly enviroment.

[Murat]

Arzika. I spent over a decade denying my sexuality. I have been in a relationship with an Iraqi for 15 years. I do not need to be told the difficulties that being gay in a hostile world brings. My partner hid his sexuality from his family for years. I effectively did not exist in his world. Like you he insisted that his family would kill him if they found out. Now they know, and he is still alive and he still sees them. Of course things would be different if he was in Iraq and not the UK but that is not my point. You have accepted that the Quran defines all homosexuals as sinners, you have aceped that as a sinner the only punishment is death. I do not beleive this. My God is not a cruel god. You have every right to make decision to live your homeland to go to a gay freindly society if that is what you decide. But you leave your home in your own mind as a sinner. How can you ever be happy? How can you ever meet a man, fall in love and be happy if your mind is so full of ideas of eternal damnation? I truly beleive that you have not come to terms with your sexuality, in th same way that I denied it for o long. Until you accept it, and learn to deal with the consequences you cannot move forward. My partner and I have many friends from the arab world who have had to leave their country. The difference between you and me, I suspect, is that when we meet them we meet as equals, friends, people who support each other, people who have an equal right to a happy life. what you see is, I suspect, is a sinner. I am not going to appologise or being gay. i am not going to let other peoples interpretation of the Holy Book define my existnce. I spent years desperately alone and unhappy. Despite the many many diificutlies my partner and I have had I do not regret one day that we have been together. I beleive that it is the right of very man and woman, gay or straight, to be able to exprience true love for another. To categorise any individual as a sinner solely on the baiss of his or her sexuality is wrong. My objections to your comments remain. You have every right to hold your views, but please do not assume that you are right. This website is for gay people to support each other. not to tell us we are destined for eternal damnation. We can go out into the commmnity (yes even in Englnd)and hear that.

[arzika]

Murat,you always quote my words wrongly.This is a forum where people mention thier opinions.It is my right to follow my religion without somebody imposing his ideology on me.I know Qur'an more than you expected,so is good if you can go and read the story of loth without interpretation by anybody it is clearly there that homosexuals are sinners.As a muslim I believe in Quran so I am sinner and also believe all homosexexuals are sinners.That is my opinion,I did'nt impose it on you so you can hold unto yours.Thanks Murat for your reply.

[Polarcoffee]

those muslim scholars did'nt misinterprete Holy Quran -the book of Allah.It is boldly written that gays are sinners and I believe in Quran so I am sinner.Islam teaches every aspect of human life and consider human beings to enjoy what is good and shun away from bad things of which being gay is consider as bad thing.So all committed muslims they hate all forms of homosexuality.That is my opinion too.So we muslims that are living in a society that does'nt accept our sexual orientation should move to another one that accept gays instead of us staying in an unfriendly enviroment.

oh...man...
Im not Muslim, I dunno anything about the Holy Quran, but I do know about the Holy Bible, since im Christian...
Do you know how many versions for the Bible? I can tell you I dont know, cuz it's NUMEROUS!!! Here comes a question...if God (either Allah, or the one I believe in) only did say something once, why there are tons of versions? even some of them are contradictory too?...there's only one possibility that is only one version is true, the rest, sorry but thats the truth, are made up by or misinterpreted by those who believe they have the right to make up God's words...
So, Arzika, I know that may be tough for you to believe what you have believed in might not be the one you should have believed in...but that's the truth that you cant ignore...as God teaches you to love your family, your neighbors, even your enemies, how he could teach you to hate gays? that doesnt make any sense...religions, no matter Muslim or Christian or Buddhism, they all tell you to get people united, instead of tugging society parted...

[Polarcoffee]

I also said to myself...If God made me gay and let me down to hell, that he just wanted me to make the hell fabulous...

[arzika]

Hi polarcoffee,on contrary to your thinking Qur'an is one all over the world no second version as the other book you made mention.Remembered you were bi 1year ago but now you choosed to be gay, is God that ask you to change or you decided to do that?So don't attribute your actions to Almighty God,you are solely responsible for your actions as I am responsible for mine.Thanks a lot.

[arzika]

The problems we are facing today, many people don'nt like to take responsibilities of their actions so they attributed their actions to God,if you ask an adulterer or furnicator why are you like this?His answer is always it is God that made me in this way likewise armed robbrers and others the answer always remain the same.But for me it is the opposite side of the coin I choosed to become gay not God that made me as a gay.That is the bitter truth that every one want run away from.

[Polarcoffee]

Hi polarcoffee,on contrary to your thinking Qur'an is one all over the world no second version as the other book you made mention.Remembered you were bi 1year ago but now you choosed to be gay, is God that ask you to change or you decided to do that?So don't attribute your actions to Almighty God,you are solely responsible for your actions as I am responsible for mine.Thanks a lot.

I'm not bi, and never have been...by girlfriend or straight time i had, i mean at that time i didnt realize my gay identity...and i believe God helped me discover myself, my true self, by giving me chance to get along with a girl...If God is good and powerful, why he made bad things to you? the only reason he made gays is gay is definitely not a sin, but a nature proposed by God himself...

[arzika]

I'm not bi, and never have been...by girlfriend or straight time i had, i mean at that time i didnt realize my gay identity...and i believe God helped me discover myself, my true self, by giving me chance to get along with a girl...If God is good and powerful, why he made bad things to you? the only reason he made gays is gay is definitely not a sin, but a nature proposed by God himself...

I have never my attributed my bad actions to God,that is why I don't query him for my bad actions,I am solely responsible for my deeds.

[ehabo]

Listen frind , i'm arab and muslim gay , Islam and homosexuality Doesn't Match Thus, scientists say .

but in our holy book ( quran ) you cant found any thing that learn you if homosexuality sin or not !

but you can found Stories of sodomites and The punishment he received a result of being gay.

Anyway , im now agay but at the same time i make Prayer and I believe in God .

[arzika]

Hi ehabo I like you for being honest.Had it been I am close to Israel I WOULD HAVE SPEND SOME OF MY TIME WITH YOU.YOU ARE SO NICE

[ehabo]

thank you my brother "arzika" for your nice comment , and sure i be so happy if i see you and sben all my time with you

[arzika]

In the Qur'an God call sodomism as "alfahsha"that does'nt exist before the people of sodom.And He called adultry,furnication also as "fahsha".

[arzika]

Thank you so much ehabo.you are really good Guy ,I like you much for your honesty.

[arzika]

ehabo here is my email if you want contact me.arzikman2008[AT]gmail.com.Thank you once again.

[arzika]

And[remember]Lut,when he said to his people:"Do you commit the fahisha such as none preceeding you has commited in the world,verily,you practice your lusts on men instead of women.Nay,but you are people transgressing beyond bounds[musrifoon]"[Quran surah A'araf 7:80-81.....this is the original Quranic verse that show clearly homosexuality is a sin and I 100% believe in Quran.THIS IS MY OPINION.

[Murat]

Arzika, nobody is seeking to impose their views on you. You have right to beleive in your faith. Equally in the same way that you question my beleifs I have a right to question yours.Gay men in Arab countries face huge problems. They need support from those of us who live in safer freer societes. The world you paint is a bleak one and a hypocritical one. You say leave your country, go to another and live unhappily in sin whilst you wait for eternal damnation. You deny your sexuality and by so doing deny part of yourself. remaining a virgin hasn't cured you, and in your own thoughts you remain a sinner. Our God did not put you on this earth for that to be the case. I wish you well. It is possible to be gay and happy even in a dangerous world. Forgive me if this sounds presumptious but your posts suggust you are not a happy man. If this is and arrogant assertion on my befalf I am sorry. If I am right is not the way forward a belief thay you can be gay and a good man?

[arzika]

Arzika, nobody is seeking to impose their views on you. You have right to beleive in your faith. Equally in the same way that you question my beleifs I have a right to question yours.Gay men in Arab countries face huge problems. They need support from those of us who live in safer freer societes. The world you paint is a bleak one and a hypocritical one. You say leave your country, go to another and live unhappily in sin whilst you wait for eternal damnation. You deny your sexuality and by so doing deny part of yourself. remaining a virgin hasn't cured you, and in your own thoughts you remain a sinner. Our God did not put you on this earth for that to be the case. I wish you well. It is possible to be gay and happy even in a dangerous world. Forgive me if this sounds presumptious but your posts suggust you are not a happy man. If this is and arrogant assertion on my befalf I am sorry. If I am right is not the way forward a belief thay you can be gay and a good man?
look Murat,chek all my articles I did'nt even know your faith talkless of questioning it so don't blame with something that I did'nt say,about my believe in Quran is unchangeable wether you like it or not,I value Islam than anything on earth,I am sorry if my words sound rude to you but my rejections to your opinion are now stronger than ever before.

[arzika]

on contrary to your thinking,I am very happy man but fearful of my death before natural one that is why I remain virgin.If I am caught having homosexual act and killed,your on is only to demonstrate and tell the world that a gay has been killed but you can not bring my life back.can you my friend murat?

[arzika]

The reason why I called myself sinner is because I enjoy patronising gay's websites watching gay films etc and all these are sinful acts but I confessed to God that I am doing them and I am sure with time if I did'nt stop,I am going to have a boyfriend in foreing countries and relocate to his place.

[cute_boy]

The story of Sodom mentioned in The Bible and The Quran does not deal with homosexuality or gays at all.......I mean come on.....how can all the males of an entire population be gay ???.... maximum 5% maybe....but according to the story all the males were present outside prophet Lot's house.... It talks about their wickedness and tendency to go against anything good.... they were doing all the bad things... straight guys were comitting sodomy......It wasn't anything we gay guys have....u know ..Love...attraction...making relationship....and there isn't a single word mentioning 'GAY' or same sex attraction.....the people of sodom (who were definitely not gay) were simply bad and evil......not gay.....and God destroyed them because they wanted to mess with the angels.....and because of their disbelief in God and God's path.......not because they were gays.......There's isn't a single verse or story or even a word in The Quran definining 'homosexuality'......it doesn't say anything about (neither against nor in favour) falling in love or having a relationship between persons of same sex........this story is simply mentioning God's wrath because of those people's vile nature and intention to rape and dishonour God's angels........so people who use this story for gay-bashing are just plain ignorant about religion.

[Murat]

Cute boy there is a difference between you and Arzika which is fundemental. Arizika I respect your views. I do not know whether practising gays are routinely killed in Nigeria. Many religions, including christianity,have in the past and will in the future kill men for no other reason than their sexuality. If you decide to leave your homeland in order to live in another country meet a gay man and have a relationship you do so as a sinner (that is how you describe yourself). If that is the case then the Quran tells us that sinners cannot never be happy becasue they are destined for damnation. When the bible was translated froml Latin to English the trnslators were denounced as heretics and burnt. The church feared that ordinary men would read the bible and decide for themselves what the word of God meant. Those that now seek to tel us that the Quran demands death for all homosexual men have their own agenda. It is about power not the love of man in the eyes of The Merciful. You answer to Allah alone not those who say they speak in his name and by Him alone will you be judged and he is forgiving. Cute Boy goes to the source, reads the old testament and on his honest understanding of what he has read will no doubt live his life and how he lives it so will he be judge. You however appear t accept how those that have sought to interpret the Quran in a particular way without question. To me that is wrong it denies that Allah gave you the power to communicate with Him directly. By so doing you have denied yousrelf true happiness, which is the right of all human beings regardless of their sexuality. We are each more than just our sexuality. When I come to be jusdged it will be for how I have led my life in its totality, not on my sexuality. I know you will not accept this but this is what I beleive

[arzika]

The story of Sodom mentioned in The Bible and The Quran does not deal with homosexuality or gays at all.......I mean come on.....how can all the males of an entire population be gay ???.... maximum 5% maybe....but according to the story all the males were present outside prophet Lot's house.... It talks about their wickedness and tendency to go against anything good.... they were doing all the bad things... straight guys were comitting sodomy......It wasn't anything we gay guys have....u know ..Love...attraction...making relationship....and there isn't a single word mentioning 'GAY' or same sex attraction.....the people of sodom (who were definitely not gay) were simply bad and evil......not gay.....and God destroyed them because they wanted to mess with the angels.....and because of their disbelief in God and God's path.......not because they were gays.......There's isn't a single verse or story or even a word in The Quran definining 'homosexuality'......it doesn't say anything about (neither against nor in favour) falling in love or having a relationship between persons of same sex........this story is simply mentioning God's wrath because of those people's vile nature and intention to rape and dishonour God's angels........so people who use this story for gay-bashing are just plain ignorant about religion.
I do'nt think you know Quraan at all that is why you mention all your ignorant statements,chek the Q uran very well everything about gays is clearly stated.Have you read the verse of Quran that I Stated above?chek it very well it is direct English translation of the Quran and read the verse again in my subsequent post.

[arzika]

And[remember]Lut,when he said to his people:"Do you commit the fahisha such as none preceeding you has commited in the world,verily,you practice your lusts on men instead of women.Nay,but you are people transgressing beyond bounds[musrifoon]"[Quran surah A'araf 7:80-81.....this is the original Quranic verse that show clearly homosexuality is a sin and I 100% believe in Quran.THIS IS MY OPINION.

That is the verse my dear.

[arzika]

Cute boy there is a difference between you and Arzika which is fundemental. Arizika I respect your views. I do not know whether practising gays are routinely killed in Nigeria. Many religions, including christianity,have in the past and will in the future kill men for no other reason than their sexuality. If you decide to leave your homeland in order to live in another country meet a gay man and have a relationship you do so as a sinner (that is how you describe yourself). If that is the case then the Quran tells us that sinners cannot never be happy becasue they are destined for damnation. When the bible was translated froml Latin to English the trnslators were denounced as heretics and burnt. The church feared that ordinary men would read the bible and decide for themselves what the word of God meant. Those that now seek to tel us that the Quran demands death for all homosexual men have their own agenda. It is about power not the love of man in the eyes of The Merciful. You answer to Allah alone not those who say they speak in his name and by Him alone will you be judged and he is forgiving. Cute Boy goes to the source, reads the old testament and on his honest understanding of what he has read will no doubt live his life and how he lives it so will he be judge. You however appear t accept how those that have sought to interpret the Quran in a particular way without question. To me that is wrong it denies that Allah gave you the power to communicate with Him directly. By so doing you have denied yousrelf true happiness, which is the right of all human beings regardless of their sexuality. We are each more than just our sexuality. When I come to be jusdged it will be for how I have led my life in its totality, not on my sexuality. I know you will not accept this but this is what I beleive

You are right murat I would'nt accept your views talkless of believing in it.But I respect you as a person,I am not fighting you because of your believe.

[arzika]

And[remember]Lut,when he said to his people:"Do you commit the fahisha such as none preceeding you has commited in the world,verily,you practice your lusts on men instead of women.Nay,but you are people transgressing beyond bounds[musrifoon]"[Quran surah A'araf 7:80-81.....this is the original Quranic verse that show clearly homosexuality is a sin and I 100% believe in Quran.THIS IS MY OPINION.
This verse is very clear, those that need to misinterprete the word of God just to suit their own desire and dragged other people to follow their own desire will never succeed in convicing me.Murat you can live the way you like but do'nt argue that in Islam homosexuality is not a sin because, your arguement is only exposing your ignorance about our great religion Islam.Iam muslim and I WILL NEVER ACCEPT WHAT ISLAM CONSIDER AS SINFUL TO BE NOT, AND I WILL NEVER MISINTERPRETE THE WORD OF ALLAH JUST TO FULFIL MY DESIRE.HOMOSEXUALITY IS A GREAT SIN AND THAT IS HOW IT SHALL REMAIN IN ISLAM.

[Murat]

Arzika

Which is worse my supposed ignorance or yoiur intolerance of the views of others. Answer please a simple question.

One day you go to the town square you see a man being stoned to death because it is believed he is homosexual. There is no evidence that he has practised his homosexuality but there is evidence that he made contact with other homosexuals via a gay website. Would you.

A. believe as a sinner he is getting what he deserves

Or

B. Believe no man has the right to take the life of another man for the sole reason of his sexuality.

Answer A or B please Arzika

[Scott747]

Murat and Arzika:

I think the first issue is the "word of God" issue. The Bible (both Old and New Testaments) make up the Christian Bible. In it there are all sorts of admonitions against all kinds of activities that no longer seem rational. For example, the eating of shell fish - shrimp, lobster, etc - is a sin. And there are literally hundreds of such examples as there are in the Koran. Both the Koran and the Bible are said to be "God's word" and I won't argue about which might be "better" "more relvant in 2008" or the "merits" of each. But even if you beleive in the words of these good books, you can't live by them today. Each is interpreted, adapted, modified - and if they hadn't been over the centuries, both Christianity and Islam would no longer be practiced.

As for me I agree that no man has the right to take another man's life. (As it says in the Bible (New Testament) and as is contradicted by the admonition to smite ones' enemies (Old Testament).) So which are we to beleive???????/

[arzika]

Arzika

Which is worse my supposed ignorance or yoiur intolerance of the views of others. Answer please a simple question.

One day you go to the town square you see a man being stoned to death because it is believed he is homosexual. There is no evidence that he has practised his homosexuality but there is evidence that he made contact with other homosexuals via a gay website. Would you.

A. believe as a sinner he is getting what he deserves

Or

B. Believe no man has the right to take the life of another man for the sole reason of his sexuality.
Answer A or B please Arzika
That is why I told you right from the begining that you are imposing your ideology on muslims which we will never accept,in Islam nobody will kill you because you browse gay website so your A.is false b.if his sexual role is harmful to the society and Allah ordered his destruction, the Islamic court can execute God order accordingly as Sodomist were executed by Allah almighty.
So that the society he belong to can be saved.So neither of your multiple answers is right.In ISLAM MAN MADE LAW AS THAT OF MURAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND REMEMBER QURAN IS UNALTERRED LIKE OTHER HEAVENLY BOOKS IT IS THE SAME AS IT WAS REVEALED,READ IT WITH OPEN MIND MY FRIEND MURAT AND YOU WILL GET ALL SOLUTIONS TO YOUR PROBLEMS.

[arzika]

[QUOTE=Scott747;6418]Murat and Arzika:

I think the first issue is the "word of God" issue. The Bible (both Old and New Testaments) make up the Christian Bible. In it there are all sorts of admonitions against all kinds of activities that no longer seem rational. For example, the eating of shell fish - shrimp, lobster, etc - is a sin. And there are literally hundreds of such examples as there are in the Koran. Both the Koran and the Bible are said to be "God's word" and I won't argue about which might be "better" "more relvant in 2008" or the "merits" of each. But even if you beleive in the words of these good books, you can't live by them today. Each is interpreted, adapted, modified - and if they hadn't been over the centuries, both Christianity and Islam would no longer be practiced.

As for me I agree that no man has the right to take another man's life. (As it says in the Bible (New Testament) and as is contradicted by the admonition to smite ones' enemies (Old Testament).) So which are we to beleive???????/[/QUOTE
Iam not christian but you can ask those that are very honest and good christians they can answer your questions rightly,all I Know in religion is Quran and there is no contradictions in Quran,you either believe in it or leave it.

[arzika]

And[remember]Lut,when he said to his people:"Do you commit the fahisha such as none preceeding you has commited in the world,verily,you practice your lusts on men instead of women.Nay,but you are people transgressing beyond bounds[musrifoon]"[Quran surah A'araf 7:80-81.....this is the original Quranic verse that show clearly homosexuality is a sin and I 100% believe in Quran.THIS IS MY OPINION.

The above verse is always my stance.

[Murat]

It was a very simple question and capable of a very simple answer. Few who read these posts would have a difficulty with it. In the real world gay people have for hundreds of years faced life or death situations. Quoting extracts from the Quran is not sufficient. What i wanted to know was what you would feel in that situation as a gay person And a muslim, the fact that you do not have sex with men does not make you less gay. and your reading of the Quran is selective. I hope and pray that all young gay arabs who read this posts have the courage to live their lives as honestly and as freely as they are able and will receive the support from other gay arabs whenever and wherever possible. i have said as much as I can on this subject. I wish you no harm, I disagree profoundly and absolutely in your intrepretations. My belief is that every man is capable of love and of being loved, one day my friend you will meet a man and fall in love, it will consume you, then you will have to make a choice. I wonder what that choice will be. It is not my business to know . let those other readers of this forum now discuss your views and challange or agree with them. Me? I can say no more. You have left me greatly saddened.

[arzika]

It was a very simple question and capable of a very simple answer. Few who read these posts would have a difficulty with it. In the real world gay people have for hundreds of years faced life or death situations. Quoting extracts from the Quran is not sufficient. What i wanted to know was what you would feel in that situation as a gay person And a muslim, the fact that you do not have sex with men does not make you less gay. and your reading of the Quran is selective. I hope and pray that all young gay arabs who read this posts have the courage to live their lives as honestly and as freely as they are able and will receive the support from other gay arabs whenever and wherever possible. i have said as much as I can on this subject. I wish you no harm, I disagree profoundly and absolutely in your intrepretations. My belief is that every man is capable of love and of being loved, one day my friend you will meet a man and fall in love, it will consume you, then you will have to make a choice. I wonder what that choice will be. It is not my business to know . let those other readers of this forum now discuss your views and challange or agree with them. Me? I can say no more. You have left me greatly saddened.
It is now clear that Murat you are the one that does'nt tolerate others opinion when it is strongly opposing yours,remember this is an open forum with a specific topic to discuss on[wether homosexuality is a sin or not]you said is not a sin and I said it is a great sin based on my belief.I gave you my evidence based on my believe which is my opinion but, unfortunately you are saddened when you are not successful to imposed your ideology on me.My friend you even went to an extent of saying my opinion is my interpretetion of holy Quran while is direct Quranic verse that I quoted.I do'nt know your religion but in islam homosexuality is boldly written in Quran as sin and as a muslim whose belief in Quran is 100% I can't go against it just to please my own desire or that of my big and saddened friend Murat.and I am not sorry at all because of your saddness with my article,I am still strongly opposing your opinion.I LOVE MY RELIGION AND IS ALWAYS RIGHT.Thank you my friend for your participation and I wish to meet you again in another forum.MY OPINION IS ALWAYS IN SUPPORT OF QURANIC VERSE ABOVE AND BELOW NO CHANGE.

[arzika]

And[remember]Lut,when he said to his people:"Do you commit the fahisha such as none preceeding you has commited in the world,verily,you practice your lusts on men instead of women.Nay,but you are people transgressing beyond bounds[musrifoon]"[Quran surah A'araf 7:80-81.....this is the original Quranic verse that show clearly homosexuality is a sin and I 100% believe in Quran.THIS IS MY OPINION.

The above Quranic verse is always the one I support,not the opinion of my friend murat.

[Daniel1988]

I don´t think its a sin. Can love even be a sin.

[bigboth]

t1-
2-yes but i love homosexuality:)

[Scott747]

Amen baby. Love can never be a sin.

[hornycamboy]

don't think it is a sin